Kol Saresk Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Technically the force is ESP. Although the newer books are definitely starting to look like magic. Now Raymond Feist and David Weber, that's, magic in space. But your point still exists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3215665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberaggie Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Meh. I don't see the problem. Making things work simply by force of will is nothing new in 40k. It's how Ork technology has been working forever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I believe it is we can from mammals that came from the ocean that came from dinosaurs who lived in the ocean who originally came from land and started out in the ocean as primordial ooze. Or something like that. I stopped paying attention when science said that pig organs can be transplanted in a human body but chimpanzee organs can't and the chimpanzee is our closest "relative" and we stop being related to pigs as soon as you hit "Mammalia". There is a obvious reason as to why Chimpanzee organs are not used. Not got it yet? They are an endangered species and have therefore been struck off the list. Anyway... back on topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 And yet that doesn't quite explain why pig organs have just as high a success rate as human organs despite the genetic barrier. Anyway... Back on topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (after all, it does take months to travel across systems and IIRC, it takes light-months just cross ours) Voyager 1 and 2 are about to leave our solar system and are *only* around 14-15 light hours away. Once you're in space given a big enough power source getting around at sub light speeds shouldn't be too much of a problem. The big problem is breaking the gravitational pull of big bodies. Which is why I also was a little shocked at the way the ship managed to leave the surface. But I assumed they spent a long time repairing it and perhaps boosting the thrusters. Either that or just reversing the polarity of the transmitters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Any ship with artificial gravity and obvious inertial dampers like 40K ships have can use those systems to create a repulsion field that will lift the ship into the air. Not saying that is what they did but it is at least possible with the technology they have at their disposal. On the organs question it is simple. Chimps are an endangered species and there is the ethical question that chimps may be sentient. Pigs though more genetically divers are functionally identical to human organs and pigs are a readily available source without the ethical problems of chimps. As to the Force it is neither ESP or Magik in the traditional since. The force is quantum mechanics in action where the user is able to consciously use the innate ability of all complex life to function as heisenberg compensators to control the collapses of the wave function and adjust the base vibrational frequencies of the component strings of objects of beings to manipulate them. It implies a base consciousness with in the life force field of the universe that guides and assists in these processes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 And yet that doesn't quite explain why pig organs have just as high a success rate as human organs despite the genetic barrier. Anyway... Back on topic. No point talking real science on a forum like this as the mods cry about these things not being "power armoured discussion". <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLost Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 No point speaking real science anyway, seeing as not one of us has any idea hows things are gonna be in 28,000 years in the future. its a pointless arguement, in real time noone has wings lets alone dirty great spaceships the size of citys, so using current scientific theorys for a fantasy universe is just pointless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3220824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 On the organs question it is simple. Chimps are an endangered species and there is the ethical question that chimps may be sentient. Pigs though more genetically divers are functionally identical to human organs and pigs are a readily available source without the ethical problems of chimps. Okay, I'll buy this. Not sure why it took 8 years of asking people to hear it, but I'll buy it. Any ship with artificial gravity and obvious inertial dampers like 40K ships have can use those systems to create a repulsion field that will lift the ship into the air. Not saying that is what they did but it is at least possible with the technology they have at their disposal. As to the Force it is neither ESP or Magik in the traditional since. The force is quantum mechanics in action where the user is able to consciously use the innate ability of all complex life to function as heisenberg compensators to control the collapses of the wave function and adjust the base vibrational frequencies of the component strings of objects of beings to manipulate them. It implies a base consciousness with in the life force field of the universe that guides and assists in these processes. Those are some rather interesting theories. The way you describe the force makes it almost sound like it could a Creator, or Caretaker I guess would also be appropriate since the Clockwork theory would have no place in a universe in which everything is constantly being influenced towards a specific event. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3221149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Well in the context of real quantum mechanics we know that our individual thoughts and state of mind do have a measurable effect on the universe. In that context the Chaos gods, the Emperor, and his primarchs would represent a truly massive set of forces for effecting change and directing a specific outcome out of the incalculable number of probabilities all in supper position at that moment. So, though most physicists would be uncomfortable admitting this, their is a scientific basis for the primarch being able to will his starship to survive planet fall in an operable or repairable state despite how absurder that sounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257094-fear-to-tread/page/12/#findComment-3221194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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