SpaceWolf13C Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So i have pretty much written off the power lance/spear as worthless unless you have hit n run. Then i had a great thought. What if counter attack works with it? It would be less worthless. Alas counter attack does not count as charging. Unless i missed something. So with that said, does anyone see a use for the power spear? Anyone plan on using it or already tried it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 dont use them for units with a single power weapon . use them for hammer units which dont leave stuff alive . 3TWC with lances and a TWC lord attached is good. WP with lance GH with a lance with a WG with a lance attached coming out of a LR are ok too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Refresh me on what the lance rule is again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Refresh me on what the lance rule is again? +1 str ap3 on charge. +0 str and ap 4 any other time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 dont use them for units with a single power weapon . use them for hammer units which dont leave stuff alive . 3TWC with lances and a TWC lord attached is good. WP with lance GH with a lance with a WG with a lance attached coming out of a LR are ok too. You sir, have a good idea. Not to mention how freaking sweet would twc models look with lances. Which brings me to another idea, although i definately wanna model my twc with lances now. 5 twc with power mauls. Oh yes. All those lovely str 7 attacks. Of course i guess you get that with frost axes too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Refresh me on what the lance rule is again? +1 str ap3 on charge. +0 str and ap 4 any other time. Hmm, so its a frostblade on the charge and a normal ccw after.. Sounds like a single-shot combiweapon. Can't really think of why a +1S on charge would be better than AP3 always (sword) in the grand scheme of all things reliable and cost efficient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'd be inclined to model a couple for bikers/twc but purely on a fluffy level, much rather have +0 Str AP3 always, especially as with PA always being the poster boys we're liable to get a big influx of new SM players - much the same as every edition and the armies that rep. large amounts of 4+ Saves are iirc. orks, nids and eldar (regular guardians though many I know prefer dire avengers for 3+ and Exarch) - so fluffy = awesome, after all we could 'out knight' the knights of dorn, but playability strengths unless you somehow gain Hit & Run as the OP said, they seem rather null and void compared to regular PWs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Multiple lances or multiple mauls in single TWC unit is not possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Multiple lances or multiple mauls in single TWC unit is not possible. Crap. Really? I need to reread my codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 yup sadly TWC can only have 1 specialist weapon - although they can all take shields ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Disappointing to be sure. Which leaves a squad of WG to be armed with lances. Cool looking for sure. But effective? I dont know. Anyone have any experience with them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 jeske is right; hammer units enjoy the benefit of a decisive charge, and can have enough power to still win combats in subsequent rounds or if charged. It's useful in many other armies and possibly not quite as much Space Wolves, but if you wanted to take a powerful Wolfguard combat squad in a Landraider they can be useful, as you can have 8 models split between 4 Power Lances and 4 Power Axes for 224pts, which is extremely dangerous even if charged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 For 15 points You get +1s and Ap3 on the charge +1 attack You then have the option to attack with the bolt pistol to use rending For 25 points you get +1S, and Ap3 static, or +2 S2 at I1 Both with +1 attack or sx2 Ap2, at I1 The difference seems pretty balanced to me. Combined with a Wolf priest on bike, I can see any of these being a worth while upgrades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Gee that must be why so many of Leman Russ' Wolfguard carried harpoons in TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Now here's the amusing thought. Counter attack stills says treated as having charged, right? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Now here's the amusing thought. Counter attack stills says treated as having charged, right? :whistling: AFAIK it never did, otherwise BCs Berserk Charge rule might have made them comparable tactically to GHs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastenarius Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Yeah lances kinda suck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I found a them to be good with Termies, they'll hit hard and then tank through, for cheaper then Frost weapons and Hammers. Compared to swords on paper it seems bad, but a massed lance charge can do a lot more damage then you'd think. 15 strength five hits is pretty decent, not gonna massacre a fresh 10 man marine squad but you can put the hurt on a command squad or similiar small sized elite units with a 3+ or worse. 2+ models will obviously stop them but then you'll want the weight of numbers or plenty of axe/fist attacks to bring them down. They need to be set up with a good opponent and spammed in a unit, that leaves you with TDA WG being your only real choice I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3128825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Gee that must be why so many of Leman Russ' Wolfguard carried harpoons in TDA. see Russ predicted 6th ed power weapon changes 10k years before it actualy happened . pure genius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3129025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It has been two years since I have really been here, and since I have even thought about playing 40K again, and now I see that the game has changed this much........ This will be weird coming back to if I do decide to put the Direwolves on the table again.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3129046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I found a them to be good with Termies, they'll hit hard and then tank through, for cheaper then Frost weapons and Hammers. Compared to swords on paper it seems bad, but a massed lance charge can do a lot more damage then you'd think. 15 strength five hits is pretty decent, not gonna massacre a fresh 10 man marine squad but you can put the hurt on a command squad or similiar small sized elite units with a 3+ or worse. That's the beauty of them though! The elite units are smaller therefore will take a beating on the charge, whilst 10 man Marine squads are usually not much cop in assaults so the survivers just die next turn for little return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3130117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Toss a power lance on a TWC model. The turn he charges, he is str6/ap3. After that just have him make rending attacks with his bolt pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3130197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Wolf Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Brothers, excuse my ignorance here - but when did we start getting lances? Can anyone point me in the right direction? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3131085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Brothers, excuse my ignorance here - but when did we start getting lances? Can anyone point me in the right direction? New rules for power weapons in the core rulebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257103-power-lanceworthless/#findComment-3131133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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