What If: Horus Heresy movie chain/HBO series

[Grotsmasha]

Honestly, having participated way back at the beginning of this thread, I feel as though the best medium for this would animation, be it hand drawn or CG, whatever, as it would appeal to the existing fan base as well as a billionty kids everywhere......

 

Cheers,

Jono

[godking]

For the Horus Heresy a live action tv series simply would not work. there are only two ways it would work

 

1 A manga series in the vein of Hokuto no ken the series would have too last at least 8  seasons to cover everything of the Horus heresy

 

Season 1-3 Fall of Horus to Chaos,Fall of Fulgrim

 

Season 4-5 Prospero,Angel exterminatus, Dark Angels

 

Season 6-7 Battle of Calth,Betrayer, ,Thramas crusade ,

 

Season 8 Scars,Unremebered empire.

 

Season 9-10 ????

 

2 A series GCI generated like that final fantasy movie again at least 8 seasons to cover everything from the horus heresy.

 

Season 1-3 Fall of Horus to Chaos,Fall of Fulgrim

 

Season 4-5 Prospero,Angel exterminatus, Dark Angels

 

Season 6-7 Battle of Calth,Betrayer, ,Thramas crusade ,

 

Season 8 Scars,Unremebered empire.

 

Season 9-10 ????

[Nathaniel.Garro]

I think that the 1st 3 novels; 1) Horus rising, 2) False gods, 3) Galaxy in flames. Should be full feature movies then they could do series of some of the others later.

 

As for which actors would make the best primarchs... wow that's hard and has taken much thought especially as no novel has every primarch in it but here goes.

 

Emperor = Antony Hopkins or Liam Neeson (either or would do)

Malcdor the Sigillite = Antony Hopkins or Liam Neeson ( again feither or would do)

 

1) Lion El'Jonson = Vladimir Kulich( maybe to old now) or Chris Hemsworth

2)???

3) Fulgrim = Johnny Depp

4) Perturabo = Gerard Butler

5) Jaghati Khan = Jet Li

6) Leman Russ = Russell Crowe, Hugh Jackman or Travis Fimmel

7) Rogal Dorn = Sean Bean (plays the honourable, stoic and loyal edard stark in game of thrones Epicly)

8) Konrad Curze = Jonathon Rhys Meyers

9) Sanguinius = Alexander Skarsgard

10) Ferrus Manus = The Rock Dwayne Johnson

11) ???

12) Angron = Stone Cold Steve Austin

13) Roboute Guilliman = Chris Evans

14) Mortarion = Jason Statham

15) Magnus the Red = Bradd Pit

16) Horus = Tom Hiddleston

17) Lorgar = Collin Farrell

18) Vulkan = Idris Elba

19) Corax = Clive Standen

20) Alpharius/Omegon = Tom Cruise

[GhostMalone]

needs to be an anime

enough said

[Dumah]

needs to be an anime

enough said

 

I really, really, really hope you're kidding...

[Hyaenidae]

Anime is the devil.

 

Repent, lest ye imagination be rotted from within.

[GhostMalone]

well I don't think they will do it like the commando comics of old so ill have to make do with the next best thing.

[Kol Saresk]

Anime is the devil.

Repent, lest ye imagination be rotted from within.

Says the man who threw in his lot with Chaos.

[Hyaenidae]

As bad as the vaaaaaaast majority of book-to-movies are, I'd say 'NO' to any sort of 30k/40k movie, anime, live action, or otherwise.

The madness in my head is perfect. I don't need to see it on a screen.

Anime is the devil.

Repent, lest ye imagination be rotted from within.

Says the man who threw in his lot with Chaos.

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My Captain of my Iron Warriors is Catheric.

[depthcharge12]

As bad as the vaaaaaaast majority of book-to-movies are, I'd say 'NO' to any sort of 30k/40k movie, anime, live action, or otherwise.

The madness in my head is perfect. I don't need to see it on a screen.

Anime is the devil.

Repent, lest ye imagination be rotted from within.

Says the man who threw in his lot with Chaos.

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My Captain of my Iron Warriors is Catheric.

Praise the Lord, and pass the phosphex....

[Conn Eremon]

Some things can't translate well. Eaters of the Dead by Crichton were amazingly faithfully translated into the film The 13th Warrior, and it was a financial failure. You can't translate something without taking liberties on the original piece, and no matter what you are pissing off someone. Fans of the original piece are going to be less and less interested the further you depart, and newcomers are going to be less and less interested the more closely you follow it. Sadly for fans, it's the newcomers most producers and financial backers care about. More money comes from them than the other.

 

The more successful follow tone, personalities and circumstances, but little else. The DC/Marvel, Sherlock Holmes, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings/Hobbit, Twilight Saga, and recently Ender's Game, films are all examples of this.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah but DC and Marvel are filled with various universed. Depending on how far back, which specific universe within the multiverse or even which multiverse, your sticklers for "canon" each and every way. And as a sidenote, DC's canon makes 40K's look organized.

 

Case in point, Black Canary. Originally she had no Canary cry. When Dinah Lance was introduced, she was given the Canary Cry. This carried into New 52. So now people are freaking out because the Black Canary/Sarah Lance in DC doesn't have a canary cry. So since anything animated or live action produced is usually within its own universe anyways, it is acceptable for it to vary in degrees from the various comic book publications. Especially since there is no one depiction within the comics.

 

But things like Harry Potter, speaking as a fan of the books, the first two movies were good. Small chunks were cut out, but it was understandable. But afterwards, the movies were not the books. At all. Same characters, same general idea, but the ship sailed and went its own way.

 

Usually when an anime is based on a manga, either the series will follow the manga as close as possible(Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood) or it will go its own way after a certain point(Claymore), if not entirely from the beginning(Fullmetal Alchemist).

 

So the whole "creative licensing" is very subjective. It really comes down to who is the driving force behind the project. If it's someone in charge who is willing to stick as close as possible, then it'll be good. If it is someone like the director of Prisoner of Azkaban, we are so totally Scuh-rooed.

 

EDIT: Wow, amazing how a letter missing here and there changes the tone of the whole message.

[Conn Eremon]

Considering most comics were done as stand-alones for decades, continuity an easter egg, I suppose that was a poor choice for examples.

 

But point still stands.

 

And sure, how much creative licensing is taken depends on many factors, but the more widely accepted and successful final products, as far as mainstream consumption is concerned, tend to be like Harry Potter. Same characters, same events, on a whole new ship

[Hyaenidae]

Some things shouldn't be overanalyzed. 40k/30k has always been up to the user, very little has been jammed down our throats as "the final word on the subject". It's what makes the game great; imagination.

 

Turning it into a movie would destroy the image in your mind, forever changing it into what you've seen. Movies are fun, don't get me wrong, but movies also "solidify" an outlook, stifling the creative process unintentionally. Imagine watching all three Rings movies, then trying to read the book afterwards. All you would be able to see in the minds eye are actors, and the creations of someone else.

 

Thank you, but no. I'll keep the 30k world right where it belongs; in my head.

[Conn Eremon]

Imagine watching all three Rings movies, then trying to read the book afterwards. All you would be able to see in the minds eye are actors, and the creations of someone else.

To each their own. My own imagination, while reading, is almost entirely conceptual or non-depictive or whatever the hell it'd be called. Largely not visual. Or aural for that matter. Unless deliberate attempts are made, those perceptions don't exist in my imagination. So seeing or hearing actors just doesn't happen.

 

I can totally see how that would be an unwanted thing, though.

[Hyaenidae]

Ah. Gotcha. Mine is entirely visual and aural, to the point I can actually feel. In my mind's eye, I see the sparks of a chainsword in bright flashes; hear the grind of plate giving way and the clack of teeth skipping past; feel shrapnel and hot embers spalling into my face, and the burn of lactic acid torching my muscles.

 

I need no movie.

[GhostMalone]

I see that as well heathens, but sometimes I'd like to see more than what my mind gives me.

 

I have many images in my head I'll never be able to be put into art, writing, models or other mediums so sadly they will be locked away forever

[Hyaenidae]

*shrug* Same here, but i'm ok with that. Gives me an unattainable goal, which I can strive for. Helps drive me to better myself, no matter the medium.

[GhostMalone]

but don't you get angry that the true vision is so hard to replicate.

I know that's why I get so angry at my skill level and why I lose motivation it doesn't matter how hard I try I cant ever get the image in my head to become a reality

[Conn Eremon]

Me, I like thinking conceptually (my own description, might be inaccurate), but that could be because I don't know any better. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything, imaginatively speaking. For instance, reading heathens' post, I could feel it. I might not visually, aurally, or physically feel it, but the idea of it is there, and the idea feels as real and dramatic to me as it would if I did. And I can, it just requires deliberate intent to do so. Kind if makes it sound like it's an effort, or hard, but it isn't. It doesn't just happen on its own. When I'm reading a good book, I'm too lost to notice or care.

[Hyaenidae]

but don't you get angry that the true vision is so hard to replicate.

I know that's why I get so angry at my skill level and why I lose motivation it doesn't matter how hard I try I cant ever get the image in my head to become a reality

 

Generally, no. I'm never really happy with what I create, because I always feel like I could do better, but what matters to me is that I do my damnedest in all I do, no matter what it is in life. As long as I know in my heart that I gave it my all, I am at peace. I learn from failure, and apply those lessons into the next project, and the next, and the next.

 

The only time I get generally upset is when I screw up royally. I over-dremel a piece, accidentally delete an entire paragraph in a story, accidentally leave a mini under a hot lamp. Even then though, I still make do with what I have, repair what I can, and drive on.

 

The same can be applied to my imagination. When I fail to create what's in my head, to turn it into reality, I learn from it. I know a new limit, a line I haven't been able to cross; with that knowledge, I can learn how to push myself further, and with the next project, get a little closer to my vision.

 

Failure, to me, isn't the last word. It's something that is formative. It's an eye opener. It adds to the process, so that I can better myself.

 

Me, I like thinking conceptually (my own description, might be inaccurate), but that could be because I don't know any better. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything, imaginatively speaking. For instance, reading heathens' post, I could feel it. I might not visually, aurally, or physically feel it, but the idea of it is there, and the idea feels as real and dramatic to me as it would if I did. And I can, it just requires deliberate intent to do so. Kind if makes it sound like it's an effort, or hard, but it isn't. It doesn't just happen on its own. When I'm reading a good book, I'm too lost to notice or care.

 

I can kinda see what you mean. How you describe it, is almost how I do math problems.

 

To me, being so heavy into "sense imagination", and generally being a visual and audible learner, a movie has a very strong potential to ...pollute my imagination. I am able to "unsee" such pollution, but it's actually hard for me. Like, I have to screw my eyes shut, and concentrate to burn out a crappy visual in my head, usually a couple of times before it finally takes. It's a process for me, and it plays hell on my imaginative process. I can say with all honesty, that it is very unpleasant for me. THAT'S how intense my imagination is, and how easily images can latch into my mind.

 

A whole movie of 30k, though it might (big 'might' there) have a few cool parts, would be full of things I don't care for, for he same reasons you mentioned above; a creative conflict between the creators and directors, in an effort to please the vast majority, and get them to throw money at them. I would be spending months in a creative funk, unable to unlatch the images of someone else's vision from my own, and angry that all I would see is "scenes" from the movie, instead of my own organic creative processes.

 

In short, a 30k movie would be my own personal hell.

[Vazzy]

I'd kill myself if a 30k movie was made. I feel it'd take away what each one of us has created, one way or another. Heathens has his Dragoons, I have my Hammers, Noctus, his Kindred. I feel like a movie would take all of that away from us somehow. 

 

And as to making image a reality, no  man can ever truly be perfect, save one. But I digress. If you give it your best Jasp, then that's all that matters, and once you get past not being exactly how you imagine, you can truly create wonders. 

 

my .02

[Kol Saresk]

I'd kill myself if a 30k movie was made. I feel it'd take away what each one of us has created, one way or another. Heathens has his Dragoons, I have my Hammers, Noctus, his Kindred. I feel like a movie would take all of that away from us somehow. 

 

And as to making image a reality, no  man can ever truly be perfect, save one.

Deadpool?

[godking]

 

needs to be an anime

enough said

 

I really, really, really hope you're kidding...

Anime is the onloy way it would work. The horus heeresy could be made in the vein of 1980s hokuto no ken with better graphics.

[Vazzy]

 

I'd kill myself if a 30k movie was made. I feel it'd take away what each one of us has created, one way or another. Heathens has his Dragoons, I have my Hammers, Noctus, his Kindred. I feel like a movie would take all of that away from us somehow. 

 

And as to making image a reality, no  man can ever truly be perfect, save one.

Deadpool?

Yes Kol, just so.