No Foes Remain Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 To take a break from painting my Shadow Hunters I decied to get my SM crusade painted, which basically means squads being painted different chapter colours. But I hit a snag. My test models for all of the other chapters were fine exept one, which has a fair bit of gold on them. Burmished gold and shining gold are pretty crap to say the least and I was hoping that the new ones are better like with the whites. So has anyone had any experiance with the new golds and are they any better? /Ventris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I had been wondering the same thing. I finally got my hands on some of the new Golds and Silvers, and I'm underwhelmed with them. One thing I noticed right away compared to the old line, the flakes of aluminum that make metal paints metallic is noticeably coarser in the new line. I layer my Gold up to a solid colour before glazing/washing it to give the tarnish and depth that I aim for. For this job I find the new paint is about the same, and maybe even a bit worse, than the last offering. It's very stubborn to layer to a uniform Gold colour, even with a golden-brown base coat. I think they might be good for blending and highlights at the end of the painting process, since they tend to 'smear' very well, so they might not be a complete lost cause. I still prefer my Vallejo Gold metallic paints, and the old GW Mithril Silver is going to be very much missed. And to be the Devil's advocate, I will say that metallic paint is not a simple product to make. It's not as straight forward as boosting the pigment ratio like they did for White and the new 'Base' colours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3130903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 They're terrible, I recommend using something else. I use privateer stuff for gold myself, it's not great, I'm sure there's better stuff, but it's better than the GW gold. And this isn't coming from a hater or anything, I use GW paints for most of my stuff, and have been generally happy with their new line (the washes are good if not quite as good as before, the glazes are good, most of the bases & layers are fine, I like the wider range, etc), but the golds have been, for me, a pretty severe disappointment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3130932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I made the mistake of getting all of them, and they're abysmal. They seperate in a matter of hours, and since the new pots leak into the lids if you open them too soon after you shake them, that's problematic in itself, but their coverage is poor, the metallic flecks are too big, and they flow in a really unhelpful way that inclines them to smeariness. On top of that, the shining gold replacement has a lot more red in it an won't match your old shining. They're a disaster, basically. I bought myself a pot of Army Painter greedy gold and haven't looked back - I highly recommend it. e; on a slight tangent, AP's gunmetal is exactly like the old boltgun (RIP) and if you haven't already, please get yourself some of that when your boltgun runs out. DO NOT buy leadbelcher. I learned this the hard way, hopefully I can prevent too many others from having to! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintMyBits Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Look into the Vallejo liquid gold range and you will never touch acrylic metallics again! I promise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintMyBits Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Look into the Vallejo liquid gold range and you will never touch acrylic metallics again! I promise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Cool, thanks guys. I'll have a look at some other company paints then and see what they turn out like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Look into the Vallejo liquid gold range and you will never touch acrylic metallics again! I promise. Humm... after doing a bit of research on this, I think I need to get myself a bottle of this. It seems the perfect solution to get a solid strong Gold base. From there I suspect the wash/glaze and highlights steps with 'normal' acrylic paints won't be a problem. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Look into the Vallejo liquid gold range and you will never touch acrylic metallics again! I promise. From the Vallejo website: "Liquid Gold cannot be mixed with water, to the contrary, the slightest contact with water will cause the pigments to rust within the jar." Have you seen anything like this? Can you make the pigment rust on the model? Does it look cool? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3131170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogres_lair Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 You should try the Vallejo Air metallics, I am using them on my Blood Angels. And they look great, and I dont airbrush (yet) so they work well even brushing them on. ogre Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3132319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentL Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I'm using the equivalent to Shining Gold and I don't have a problem with it looks similar to my other Sanguinary Guard. While I haven't tried the others yet I've heard horror stories of Leadbelcher, but I wonder if they are expecting you to use the Dry silver over top of Leadbelcher now rather than how Boltgun metal stood by itself. Though come to think of it, I do a layer of Shining Gold + Scorched brown first then I add the new Gehenna's Gold... For the most art I'm very happy with all the new paints I've used... That being said I did like the silver metallics from P3 they seemed to work the same / similar to Boltgun metal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3132728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I've found the new ones to be much, much better than the old ones, but I only do details with my models currently. Night Lords might make my opinion change a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3133109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I'm concerned what I'll do when my old pot of burnished gold eventually runs out... anyone know of an exchangeable equivalent from a non-GW range? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3133257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 As an update to this thread and the Valljeo Liquid Gold. It is as good as people claim it to be. My local shop only had Red Gold and Green Gold on hand. The Red Gold seemed a bit too Orange for my liking, since I prefer a bright Yellow Gold base. I wash to add depth and darkness to Gold, I want it bright to start. The Green Gold seemed good in the bottle, but had settled into a heavy sludge. It took a lot of work to get it smooth again, and I was worried while I was trying to get it perfect. I ended up putting a couple of small bolts into the bottle as 'rattles' and shook the crap out of it. Once it was smooth, it seemed almost too thin. The pigment is so fine, and flows and settles so much it never seems like it's totally mixed. Ignoring the strange consistency I painted it on a Black primed test miniature, and the results are stunning. Just one coat gives me a GW Burnished Gold or Valljeo Model Colour Gold that would take 3-4 coats. Brilliant. Yes, you must use Rubbing Alcohol or an Alcohol based thinner, but it's well worth the effort for such effortless Gold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257261-the-new-gw-golds/#findComment-3145985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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