Niklaslinden Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I just thought about getting som tanks for my DoA army but holy crap those are expensive! I mean just look at a regular predator. That is a bit much dont you think? So I thought, there's so many other modelling companys that make tank models, and might I ad some of them really striking and quite awesome and to half the price or even less sometimes. So is this something people are doing. "Proxing" if you will other tanks from different developers. I was thinking mostly about modelling kits from in scale replicas of real tanks. Those models whos purpose arent for games but just the modelling and painting hobby. I stumbled upon this for example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-35-Israeli-IDF...=item27c97101a6 Looks great and usually sells for around 20-30 dollars. So to my question. Is this common or just frowned upon, to use other than GW tanks? And do someone know of other suitable tank replica modelling kits that looks good for 40k? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Well for starters you can't use them at a GW store or tourney but if you only game with friends then nothing to stop you proxying anything. I know of several gamers that have proxyed drop pods with coke cans to try drop pod army lists. The only issue with that tank in the linky is that it's way too big a scale for most 40k tanks, roughly twice as long and one and a half times as wide as a pred so cover saves become an issue too. Why not just search ebay for used 40k tanks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julgolax Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Ebay is a lair of thieves and scammers sugar coated with "security protocols". I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to use Ebay. To me, the best idea is to buy tanks from GW only on a need basis because yes, they are very overpriced but that's because it's Games Workshop and they have to ship their crap across the pond and justify a roughly 30% increase in prices every fiscal year... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Not buying directly from GW will usually save you 20%-30% (maybe even more) off of GWs MSRP. Some places like the Warstore will also sell base kits, with no extra sprews, (read: Just the Rhino sprews, nothing else) for a considerable discount. Many people will have extras of the vehicle accessories, so they just need the chassis. And then there's also the scratch-build option. It's debatable just how much savings there is here, however. What you save in money, to tend to loose in time. But it can be rewarding, give you tools and skills that will let you build all sorts of things for your army, and you can create thing that look unique and amazing. It can be simple to combine scratch-building with a stripped-down kit, too. Get a Rhino chassis and build the other parts to make it a Razorback and/or Predator. With careful use of magnets (which are quite reasonable in price for how much utility they give) you can have several chassis' that can change into many configurations, with a simple swap of a few magnetized parts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Most other quality tanks are the same price or higher (and smaller). I'm not defending GW's outrageous prices, but the fact is that any quality model is that pricey or far more. If you want cheap, there are toys tanks available, or as mentioned above ebay and thewarstore are good places to acquire them below MSRP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Well I forgot to point out also that I don't really like the design on GW's tanks. So to pay almost 60 usd for one little predator is insane in my book. Sure you could get cheaper tanks from ebay and other places but it all doesn't seem worth it when you dont even like the looks of the models. I want what looks best on the battlefield. The reason I started the thread is to find substitutes to GWs tanks. Cheaper and cooler :lol: Also since I don't have any tanks at all, what is the length on a regular predator tank? I found this tank, that could possibly work well with my blood angels: http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/325...royer/index.htm Whatcha think? about the right size? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 If it's the right scale, it's not half bad. It would need some modification to make it look a bit 'more 40K', in my opinion, but it's got a nice silhouette. I Rhino hull is about 11.5cm long by 8cm wide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 If it's the right scale, it's not half bad. It would need some modification to make it look a bit 'more 40K', in my opinion, but it's got a nice silhouette. I Rhino hull is about 11.5cm long by 8cm wide. Sure, I would add weapons and such to make it blend in better. Then it's about the same size which is all I need. You get three of these for the cost of one real predator btw ;P Maybe this one could work also http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/325...usf_j/index.htm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The only big sticking point that I can see is where/how to attach sponsons onto either hull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 The only big sticking point that I can see is where/how to attach sponsons onto either hull. Yeah that's an inconvinience. Although should'nt be to hard to solve. We wouldn't want the weapons to get stuck in the tank treads now would we. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. Yeah I know It's just that tank replicas in that scale are huge! about 30 cm in length. And I figured with a tank it's less important with exact scale as long as it doesn't look weird. But maybe it does. I dont really know until I can look at one of those tanks in person. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3135931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Take a look at 1:35 and 1:42 M113 kits for replacing the GW Rhino. For 1:35 while the width is pretty much the same, it's slightly longer and higher, giving you a bigger profile. It looks too big IMO. For 1:42 the length and height are almost spot on but the width is 2cm narrower, giving you a smaller profile. It looks OK but gives you cover advantage. A photo of the 1:35 kit I found: http://miniature-art.tripod.com/ultramarinesrhinoconversion/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Take a look at 1:35 and 1:42 M113 kits for replacing the GW Rhino. For 1:35 while the width is pretty much the same, it's slightly longer and higher, giving you a bigger profile. It looks too big IMO. For 1:42 the length and height are almost spot on but the width is 2cm narrower, giving you a smaller profile. It looks OK but gives you cover advantage. A photo of the 1:35 kit I found: http://miniature-art.tripod.com/ultramarinesrhinoconversion/ Thats actually a pretty cool tank. Still that "boxy" feel to it but looks more gritty and real. although I don't think it would look good with a GW autocannon on top of it. It would have to suffice as a rhino and maybe razorback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. 28mm figures are roughly 1/48th scale If I recall correctly 28mm is closer to 1/50th but GW 28mm are chunkier and larger than most 28mm historical figures anyway. Being pedantic 28mm is not a scale at all 1/35 1/48 are scales 28mm is a figure size :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. 28mm figures are roughly 1/48th scale If I recall correctly 28mm is closer to 1/50th but GW 28mm are chunkier and larger than most 28mm historical figures anyway. Being pedantic 28mm is not a scale at all 1/35 1/48 are scales 28mm is a figure size ;) Actually, Your average IG troop at 185cm height is portrayed as being 2.8cm, which translates to roughly 1:65 1:50 is going to work in most cases. 1:35 is too big, as evidenced by the M113 I posted earlier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaslinden Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. 28mm figures are roughly 1/48th scale If I recall correctly 28mm is closer to 1/50th but GW 28mm are chunkier and larger than most 28mm historical figures anyway. Being pedantic 28mm is not a scale at all 1/35 1/48 are scales 28mm is a figure size :lol: Actually, Your average IG troop at 185cm height is portrayed as being 2.8cm, which translates to roughly 1:65 1:50 is going to work in most cases. 1:35 is too big, as evidenced by the M113 I posted earlier. It seems like the 1:48 scale is about right size. Now it's just the part to decide what tanks fit my army. Tamiya has a good selection of tanks. Do you know of any others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 AFAIK 28mm miniatures are roughly 1/35th scale. 28mm figures are roughly 1/48th scale If I recall correctly 28mm is closer to 1/50th but GW 28mm are chunkier and larger than most 28mm historical figures anyway. Being pedantic 28mm is not a scale at all 1/35 1/48 are scales 28mm is a figure size :P Actually, Your average IG troop at 185cm height is portrayed as being 2.8cm, which translates to roughly 1:65 1:50 is going to work in most cases. 1:35 is too big, as evidenced by the M113 I posted earlier. It seems like the 1:48 scale is about right size. Now it's just the part to decide what tanks fit my army. Tamiya has a good selection of tanks. Do you know of any others? Revell, Italeri ottomm, but I believe Tamiya has better quality than these. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257740-overpriced-gw-tanks-and-alternatives/#findComment-3136460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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