Vash Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I am wondering if it is possible to use a deep striking librarian with the summoning, and as he arrives use the summoning to pull another unit next to him. The psychic power says it happens in the beginning of the librarians movement phase. Reserves/deep strike is the very first thing that happens. Does a deep strike count as a move in the movement phase, thus canceling the summoning to work, or is deep strike counted as a pre-action before the movement phase? I am leaning towards its counted as a move, thus not allowing the summoning to be cast. As I am no rule book expert, I want to ask you more experienced players. If you can, please explain your motivation if you have an answer. Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I am wondering if it is possible to use a deep striking librarian with the summoning, and as he arrives use the summoning to pull another unit next to him. The psychic power says it happens in the beginning of the librarians movement phase. Reserves/deep strike is the very first thing that happens. Does a deep strike count as a move in the movement phase, thus canceling the summoning to work, or is deep strike counted as a pre-action before the movement phase? I am leaning towards its counted as a move, thus not allowing the summoning to be cast. As I am no rule book expert, I want to ask you more experienced players. If you can, please explain your motivation if you have an answer. Thanks in advance. According to rulebook a unit coming from reserves cannot use powers or abilities intended to be used at the beginning of the turn itself (pag. 125) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3136405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Of course, do powers like Summoning, Blessings and Maledictions, which are at 'the start of the Psyker's Movement phase', fall under that rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3136408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Of course, do powers like Summoning, Blessings and Maledictions, which are at 'the start of the Psyker's Movement phase', fall under that rule? If I recall the rule correctly, yes the do. Once you arrive (via deep strike or by entring from a table edge9 you have already started your movement phase. At the start of the psyker's movement phase means, if I'm not mistaken, before making any actual move. When the deep striking Librarian arrives on the table he has already completed his movement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3136433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Well so far most of us are agreeing on he cannot use the summoning. I just dont want to miss out on somthing just because I interpet something my "own" way. Edit* Now I am considering RedemptionNL answer a bit. As the rule on page 125 states at the beginning of the turn. There is a differance between start of turn and phase. A phase is within the turn it self. Regrouping for example is stated that its done during the movement phase. Anyhow I am still leaning towards that the librarian isnt allowed. But worth thinking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3136501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Once you arrive (via deep strike or by entring from a table edge9 you have already started your movement phase. Them's the brakes, right here. If your Librarian comes in from Reserves, he cannot use Start of Movement phase powers that turn. Pretty clear rule that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3136606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Yeah, as it has been said before. The rules on this occasion can only really be interpreted in on way. I'm possitive you'll have to wait for the movement phase after D/Sing. Its not like you can move after a D/S so it follows you ought not be able to use associated skills or spells. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3137094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairojin Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 And just in case someone would actually argue it see page 67 under Manifesting psychic powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3137316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Ah, indeed: On a turn that a psyker arrives from reserve (see page 124) he cannot attempt to manifest any psychic powers that must be manifested at the start of the Movement phase. (pg 67) That's rock solid then. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3137346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 Great! Thanks guys. Now I can go back to using Mordrak and an inquisitor again :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/257826-the-summoning-psychic-power-question/#findComment-3137477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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