shaun03 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I am guessing this is the best place to put this. Dose any have any experience useing the FW bloodthirster model? I highly considering buying one, for my new army i am building. Just unclear if it is legale and how it works on the table. Not rule wise just an over all function. Dose it leave to big of foot print. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Consider FW Bloodthirster is much more larger than the "standard" one. It will give you a great tactical disadvantage: more difficult to hide, easier to target. If you really like the model you could buy it but consider you will make your opponent's job easier. :) I really dobut your opponents will complain: as I said you are giving them an advantage. If you want my opinion I suggest you to use the standard model for gaming purposes and FW one for "collection/modelling" purposes (if you like them) or Apocalypse games. In standard matches the drawbacks will be significant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3139711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 Thanks I was figuring that would be the case. From the looks of it, it's not hiding behind much. But sense the army I plan on building around it is more of friendly list not competive. I may just bit the bullet for it being a easy target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3139735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 If you use the forgeworld rules for it, in an Apocalypse game, it's size makes a bit more sense. It really doesn't have a place in normal games. Aside from being a huge target, the footprint is so large that probably twice as many troops can get into base-base contact with it without a problem. Cool model, though. I bought the Great Unclean One, and play with it. It has a bit of a lower profile, though. Have you seen Ultraforge's "Greater War Daemon"? It's pretty friendly to the eye (and wallet), and it's much more to scale for 40k games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3139930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 I have seen other's, their was one hosted on coolminornot.com not sure if that's the one your talking about. The foot print is the only real deterrence I am facing. Yeah being easy on the wallet is nice too. As far as the great unclean one that's a sick model to. It's a hard call cause that model would fit great in to theme of the list I am building however the usefullness may out way the positive side it. It's fluff vs tactics now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3140210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Well the ultraforge one fits on a 60mm base, while the FW one... well I'm not sure what base that thing fits on but their Great Unclean One barely fits on a 100mm... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3140734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatEscape_13 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 He's way too big for a regular bloodthirster in regular games. Like absurd big. That said... if you run him as An'Grrath from Imperial Armor Apocalypse 2nd edition in an Apocalypse game, he's about as nasty as they come. With his raging charge, he gets between 8 and 13 attacks on the charge. Plus he moves 24", so he's going to get to combat on the first turn and always stay in combat. So if you use him, the goal is to wreck the highest point cost models you possibly can, as the spot where he fails is if he runs into low cost but fearless foes. He should be smashing superheavies and taking out high-cost-but-small-and-slow units such as terminators, battlesuits, etc. And he's an AMAZING model, that makes a great army centerpiece. I say add him, because nothing puts the fear of chaos into your foe like An'Grrath flying toward their lines. (that said, I've only had allies use him... I run the massive FW Nurgle daemon-Scabeiathrax-myself, and love him). Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3142868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Well the ultraforge one fits on a 60mm base, while the FW one... well I'm not sure what base that thing fits on but their Great Unclean One barely fits on a 100mm... I put mine on a 5" base, waaaaay too big for normal 40k games. OP: best to stay away form him except Apoc, he represents a Daemon LORD not a little Prince nor a Thirster. Your dosh and army though; I'd get him if I were you just for the sheer coolness and that he is finally viable with the changes in 6th/IAAv2. He used to be led astray by the old rage rules :) ,now he is faster and can choose who he kills. Size comparison: Big Bad Barry Stobz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3142883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I heard the model is much larger than the standard one. It makes sense for Apocalypse as its large scale, but in small games its a hindrance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3143699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsox Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 It's freakin' HUGE. That's him on the right. Bottom left is an Ungor, which is about the same height as a marine. http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n41/Sacred_Cow/bloodthirster003.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3144017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Thanks all the input. I will def be adding him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3144434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 A player at my FLGS owns TWO of that particular model. He has them mounted on what look to be about 120mm bases. They are beautiful models, but it was and is rare that he gets a cover save with the things. With the changes for 6th Edition and 25% for 5+ cover, you'll likely get cover but never actually USE it considering his armor and invuln combination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3145146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 His size is def a issue, some one from my gaming group let me use his. But with the army I have in mine he fits to well. So after I acquire the new starter set, I going to call FW and order one. For the base I was thinking of order a flying olvel base from secret mintures, there base are great. But I think it may be two small? It's the size of a normal flyer base for storm ravens. ( yes my main army is BA/Carcharodons.) But with the release of the new starter set I had to rethink my project a bit. But I'll posting that in a different forum. I really do appreciate all the imput, and once I get my new chaos army up and running I will post up some pics. Thanks again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3153570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith IV Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 His size is def a issue, some one from my gaming group let me use his. But with the army I have in mine he fits to well. So after I acquire the new starter set, I going to call FW and order one. For the base I was thinking of order a flying olvel base from secret mintures, there base are great. But I think it may be two small? It's the size of a normal flyer base for storm ravens. ( yes my main army is BA/Carcharodons.) But with the release of the new starter set I had to rethink my project a bit. But I'll posting that in a different forum. I really do appreciate all the imput, and once I get my new chaos army up and running I will post up some pics. Thanks again ANy idea what you'll be fighting? Because if it's Grey Knights... Blessing of the Blood God is an absolutely amazing upgrade at just 5 points - a 2+ invulnerable save against wounds caused by psychic powers, including force weapons! My advice is take all the upgrades, coming in for 300 point total. Unholy Might gives you Instant Death to Space Marines, and Death Strike gives some much needed (and decent) ranged ability. Instrument of Chaos is more or less irrelevant, but hey, it's cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3153596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Crusader Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 My advice is take all the upgrades, coming in for 300 point total. Unholy Might gives you Instant Death to Space Marines, and Death Strike gives some much needed (and decent) ranged ability. Instrument of Chaos is more or less irrelevant, but hey, it's cheap. I don't think taking all the upgrades on a Bloodthirster can be good. 20 points for a single str7 ap2 shoot at BS 4? I think it will be a waste of points. Keep the shooting coming from those who can shoot like tzeentch daemons. The Instrument is also useless, it may be cheap but 5 points for something that does nothing is still nothing. 275 point Bloodthirster is the best choice to make. Those 25 points is the cost of an Icon, something that you always try to find room for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3153891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well I would be playing a wide group of armies, that's one good thing we got a good mix of players. But the shooting power isnt something I need, cause I allying with csm so they will handle the shooting. But the 2+ against pyshc power is golden. There is a few GK players so that is a must. But I was trying to keep him around 250 but 275 is doable I will just need to cut back on troop choice I take with him. That range power did look temping, but on second though it look over price 20 for plasma pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258077-forge-world-greater-daemons/#findComment-3154426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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