Heresy era Armour

[Erasmus]

With all the rumours of up coming FW HH release, I was wondering what marks of Armour everyone would be using, not necessarily for the characters/Masters/captains/Veterans, but for the common troopers? I have looked at the FW Mk IV and V as I feel they would be more suitable, I was under the Impression that MK VI Corvus armour came out after the Heresy?

With all the bits and kits that are currently avaliable from FW, if the rules do come true and they release loads of new stuff, I will need to change my pants everytime I look at them :devil:

[Vazzy]

I think MK III would be most appropriate, as it was being phased out at the start of the heresy, with the traitor legions having the most of the MkIV. Also, Mk V is a stopgap armor type, so, if you are doing a heresy era army, as in heresy has begun, MkV would be in use as well

[Brother Immolator]

There is only one armor type that is worthy of space marines, the rest are techpriest failures.

 

BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKIEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Erasmus]

Yeah but like I say Beakies are post heresy.

 

I'm thinking a good mixture of Mk III, and V, would be appropriate. A complete random mix, but only Commanders, Captains, Masters, Chappies and Vets wearing Mk IV (coz according to FW they were high tech but rare).

[Adeptus-Alaska]

There is only one armor type that is worthy of space marines, the rest are techpriest failures.

 

BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKIEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's right bro! represent! I love me some beakies! back in the rogue trader days (or as I call it; the dark age of literature) all marines were mk6. and they had attitude back then. anyone else remember astartes putting grafitti on their armour(kill kill kill)

[Brother Immolator]

And Mohawks you forget the mohawks and shark teeth on the bekies!

[Dark Angel 13]

MK VI Corvus armour was developed in the early stages of the Heresy, but due to the schism in the Mechanicum it saw limited production. Several suits are given to the Raven Guard in "Deliverance Lost".

[Captain Semper]

Do not listen to Immolator, he's an unstable fanatic! <_< We all know Mk5 is the best looking armour out there... ;)

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

Mk IV.

 

Theres nothing to say the traitors had most. It was the most advanced armour, however it had the problem that replacement parts were hard to get, if it broke, it stayed broke. Mk VI was the replacement (MK V was a stopgap) and lacked all the systems of the MK IV, but was much easier to repair. MK IV is rare as its 1) the best and 2) hard to replace/source parts for it.

 

With the Heresy, production was not stopped, but distribution was hampered.

 

Personally, though, I will be using a mix of armour marks (but avoiding Mk VII where possible) in order to cut down on the money to FW. I will also be making extensive use of Robes and special armour (like Sternguard) to represent Terrans.

[Pavement Artist]

Were i to do Heresy era Dark angels, i'd stick with the Mark II Or III. I understand it'd be a bit out of date during the heresy, but the whole imagery of those types just screams knight to me.

 

At least you have a choice. I play Alpha Legion, it's pretty much IV or bust <_<

[Harleqvin]

Like they said VI was in production but hampered distribution. I am already going the route of mainly MkII-IV but wanting more MkIVs than rest and more MkIII than MkII. And I will have a few MkVIs and maybe a couple of MkVs not sure why but I am not all for that for the MkV "heresy" armor. I think it has to go for the helmet to me looks too much like a normal helmet in comparison to the others. So I guess I should say I am not all that for te MkV helmet. Lqtm

 

I already have two 5 man MkII assault squads (1 is put together almost finished painted for the ETL, I am kinda slow at times with painting and there has been a lot of stuff happening since I vowed....,) a MkIV assault squad and 2 contemptors (1 contemptor put together soon to be finished painted the same as the 1 MkII squad....)

 

I will be doing some major alter to many TDAs I have. Altering shoulders and removing Aquilas. None o th are really painted. So there is the luck with that I am not doing it to all ready painted up DW. Lqtm

[Captain Semper]

Apart from visual preference I believe that the more "historically" correct approach would be lots of Mk4 and to a lesser degree Mk3. This is my reasoning:

 

Armour Mks did not come out simultaneously so marines could pick 'n choose. They came out in succession and as an improvement of the previous version (mk5 could be an exception). So when Mk3 arrived the Legions would gradually move away from Mk2s and adopt Mk3s. Despite Mk3s usefulness in certain types of warfare, when Mk4s came out every marine would want one of the latest gadgets. So Mk3s would be phased out in favor of Mk4s. depending on production capacity and logistics.

 

So I believe that given that the 1st Legion was always well supplied and generally regarded as a "rich" Legion even 10k years after HH I think they would have tons of MK 4 delivered and only keep Mk3 either for special missions that Mk3 still retained an edge vs. Mk4 or for individuals that were too"attached" to their Mk3. I believe the latter would e very few among the DAs since objective rationale is one of the prime characteristics of the Legion. If Mk4 was overall better then Mk4 would be preferred and supplied since the 1st Legion was (I believe) kept well supplied at all times before the HH.

 

My 2c.

[Harleqvin]

Well then with that wouldn't they have had a bunch of of the MkVI then too?

[Captain Semper]

But wasn't the Mk6 introduced during the Heresy? That means that the DAs were cut-off from the main body of the Imperium at the time and probably the usual supply channels would be, at best, hampered. It's easy to justify their existence in the ranks of the 1s Legion, but I doubt there would be the predominant armour Mk. In fact it can be argued tha there would be way more Mk3s in service than Mk6s... Now Mk5s are another question altogether (I just like it so much!) :lol:

 

What'd you guys think?

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

But wasn't the Mk6 introduced during the Heresy? That means that the DAs were cut-off from the main body of the Imperium at the time and probably the usual supply channels would be, at best, hampered. It's easy to justify their existence in the ranks of the 1s Legion, but I doubt there would be the predominant armour Mk. In fact it can be argued tha there would be way more Mk3s in service than Mk6s... Now Mk5s are another question altogether (I just like it so much!) :lol:

 

What'd you guys think?

 

I believe that the Mk V was released during the Heresy as a stop-gap after the Mk IV, it was basically just MK IV without the fancy stuff and really easy to fix. MK VI came out after the Heresy settled in and the Mars schism was over and production resumed that combined what they could of the MK IV with the easy to maintain of the MK V. MK VII came out towards the very end, I think.

 

I reckon the best Mks to use for DA are a little bit of Mk III, mainly MK IV and quite a bit of MK V (representing quick fixes)

[Erasmus]

Hmmm, I love the look of MkIV, always wanted a MkIV army since FW brought out the Red Scorpions. So heres my plan, pretty much a 40/40 mix of MkIII and MkIV with a few MkV, representing quick replacements and my Commander will be in MkVI (I'll be using the Master of Recruits with the DA beeky helmet from the Vet box) as I feel the commander would get the first set of brand new armour.

 

Is everyone agreed that the Armour colour should be Black with white Decals and red eye lenses? I know a few people are confused about armour colour because of the cover of Decent of Angels and the HH art book.

 

 

Erasmus.

[Brother-Sergeant Bohemond]

I use Red Winged swords...

 

Guess we will see what FW decides the symbol should be :lol:

[Harleqvin]

Like above. But it will always go about what someone would rather want. GW seems to go back and forth between the white and red icon color. I prefer the red icon myself. And I am using the helmet lines and some other stuff from Rogue Trader. When I finish my models here soon for the ETL you guys will see what I decided to do. =D

[elmo]

Is everyone agreed that the Armour colour should be Black with white Decals and red eye lenses? I know a few people are confused about armour colour because of the cover of Decent of Angels and the HH art book.

 

I plan to do 10 models based on the cover art on Descent of Angels soon and have a mix of MkII and MKIII armour to try it on. This could be the start of a new force - bank manager willing :lol:

[Captain Semper]

One thing is certain, this is the opporutiny (if rumors prove true) for FW to get all the strigs together and come up with a well defined color/marking system for all heresy-era legions... If Imperial Armour books are anything to go by, there will still be room for personal preferences... I am really more excited by the prospect of FW exploring the HH with proper books than I'm for the new Codex arrival... Really! :)

[Grotsmasha]

MkIIs and Mk IV mostly for Pre Heresy (MkIII was a developed as a boarding armour and wasn't really a replacement for MkII) and MkV for heresy actual.

Personally, I prefer mkII's and III's for PH DA.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Raven Angel]

If it is early HH the bulk should be MKII with Assault squads having MKII and characters and sarges maybe having MKIV. Mid to late HH you can mix MKII, and MKV for the bulk of troops with MKIII, MKIV, MKVI in character, sarges, and maybe a few in squads. Post siege the bulk would be MKII, MKV, and MKVI with a few MKIII, MKIV, and MKVII sprinkled in. MKIII and MKIV, MKV, and MKVI suites where always rarer then MKII and MKVII suites. This is because they simply didn't have the long production runs of the MKII and MKVII armor. Yes MKIII was around a long time but was limited deployment in most legions and was used only for CC specialist squads in these Legions. MKIII plat predates the first TDA MKs and was used in those roles too before TDA came online.

[Brother Immolator]

Do not listen to Immolator, he's an unstable fanatic! :D We all know Mk5 is the best looking armour out there... ;)

 

Mark 5 coudnt hold a candle in front of Corvus :P The rule of cool demands this!

Though it is a second close in my like list.

 

EDIT: The only downside to this Heresy thingie would be terminators. I dont like tartaros one bit.

[Vodunius]

If it is early HH the bulk should be MKII with Assault squads having MKII and characters and sarges maybe having MKIV. ~ Yes MKIII was around a long time but was limited deployment in most legions and was used only for CC specialist squads in these Legions.

 

Assuming assaults squads are mean't to be MkIII I wouldn't be so sure, the old fluff said frontal assaults (little a) with minimal cover and still used for boarding actions and tunnel fighting, but the suit was described as having thinner rear armour than MkII and also being cumbersome and unwieldy - you don't want to get too close to the enemy with that sort of impediment, Forge World have themselves supposedly said they have no intention of releasing assault MkIII for that very reason.

 

MKIII and MKIV, MKV, and MKVI suites where always rarer then MKII and MKVII suites.This is because they simply didn't have the long production runs of the MKII and MKVII armor.

 

WD129 specifically stated that adoption of MkIV was half-complete when the Heresy erupted with many entire armies having been re-equipped, which would put it as the most common suit during the very early period but we don't know how long it was in production. MkV was described has having been shipped out in 'huge' quantities and was likely in production for 2-6 years (Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness put the Siege of Terra in the 3rd year of the Horus Heresy, the recent revision has upped it to 7 years, possibly due to Black Library getting the 7 years of the Scouring mixed up..)

 

One thing is certain, this is the opporutiny (if rumors prove true) for FW to get all the strigs together and come up with a well defined color/marking system for all heresy-era legions... If Imperial Armour books are anything to go by

 

Well since they haven't managed to get marine markings right in any book so far I'm not expecting them to get it right this time :)

[Ruthven]

Mark VI beaky armor was introduced during the Heresy, It is introduced in one of the later HH novels to date, but I don't want to say so as not to spoil it for anyone who wants to read the books spoiler-free.