Vlâdvar The Destroyer Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Hey guys, I'm finally entering Golden Daemon awards this year & was wondering if GW allowes 3rd party parts? ie heads from maximini. As I have a squad of 5 guys & 1 of them has a maximini helmet. Is this ok? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercadius Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Considering its a showcase day for the GW hobby, and with exceptional competition abounding throughout the entrants, the GD judges will be sure to trim the finalists down in each category mercilessly regarding 3rd party bits.. if you feel it's worth risking it then go for it, but I doubt anything with non GW parts is going to make the showcase in white dwarf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I think the guidelines are ambiguous as different bits would probably be considered more inappropriate than others. That said I personally can't help but think that the inclusion of any such bits would go against the general spirit of what they are trying to showcase which is the games workshop universe. I don't know if that is phrased correctly or not but anyways my thought is if you are questioning it I would just avoid it. How integral is that one helmet, is it so integral that you are willing to spend a ridiculous period of time painting something only to find its inclusion hindered your score? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireangel Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I've been watching the GD religiously since 1992, and I can tell you that while you may potentially sneak something past the individual judges and potentially place or make the final cut, you wont make it past everyone and ultimately your miniatures wont be showcased or published. Who knows how many people have tried to sneak 3rd party bitz or miniatures into a GD over the years? The one thing I can tell you for sure is that I have never once seen a 3rd party bit make it into the finals, or past the judges, and I also remember the hell that was raised online and within the community when people found out that in Victor Hardy wasn't doing his own conversion work on his Daemon winners. You want to make a Daemon Entry? Stick to GW BItz and conversions/scratch builds only. My suggestion would be to sculpt a head similar to the one you have, one that is unique and obviously yours, or find a GW alternative. That is of course, if you want to place, or win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I'd go for it. Its your minis - and with the ace conversion work you've done for your Iron Warriors/Adeptus Mechanicus, its bound to be good - but as Fireangel proposes, you probably have the skills to sculpt a better one yourself. Now that said, the little I've seen of your paint skills is still lacking, when we're talking GD finals. Its nice, but not stellar - and that competition is fierce. So with that in mind, just go for it and have a blast :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Depends what the 3rd party bits are. Things like bolt heads (Grandt), girder (plastruct / model railway) etc you'll get away with as part of a build. Things that are obviously built by someone else (say for example Chapterhouse shoulder pads, Anvil Industries bodies for marines) I doubt you'd get away with. You could probably get away with repurposing too; say you want a marine on a giant lion; a toy lion (Early Learning Centre carry some surprisingly high detail animal toys) of suitable size up-detailed you could probably get away with, rather than sculpting the whole thing. The end result must reflect the IP, and the established designs in it, without infringing on the copyright of any other firm. Edit: Rereading the OP, no I doubt you'd get away with the Maxmini head; unless it's just the face you've borrowed or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsox Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Just tell them you greenstuffed it. Od. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3143940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwulf Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Just tell them you greenstuffed it. Od. From my experience, there isn't an opportunity to say "I green stuffed it," to the judges. IMHO, it's dishonest if you DIDN'T sculpt it, but claim you did. Just my 2 creds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3144004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlâdvar The Destroyer Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Many thanx for your advice guys, I shall do a head swap & scratch build my own, will post up the results soon :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3146658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hwarang Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I realize your question has more or less been answered, and you've decided what to do...but I just found these models on CMON, and thought them relevant to your question, and perhaps others might be interested. Check them out here: Deathwing Terminators Anyway, these Deathwing termiantors earned Bronze at the Italian GD in 2011. The right shoulder pads are definitely Scibor. I have those exact pieces, and they are quite recognizable. Whether or not their inclusion was the deciding factor in the outcome of the event though is hard to say. In my opinion, the top three entries in the Warhammmer 40,000 Squad division were all in the correct spots, based solely on painting. Check out the other winners here: Italian GD Warhammer 40,000 Squad Winners But anyway, of all the third party manufacturers out there, I would have though Scibor would have been pretty high on the 'no no" list. Just some food for thought. -CH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258517-using-3rd-party-bits-for-golden-daemon/#findComment-3159730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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