Darkmere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 So I've decided to reboot my old army and start playing 40k once more! However I have chosen that I want to do a DIY chapter for various reasons and have some ideas but want to see if I could get away with them first so opinions and facts are welcomed equally. Do you think that a chapter could get away with 5-10k marines without invoking the wraith of the Imperium? I mean of course the Imperium isn't going to like me because I will be excommunicated but will they actively pursue my demise above all else. Will it be feasible or even remotely believable for a chapter to grow to this size? The Idea is that the chapter went rogue after it decided that it needed legions of old to combat the growing threat of xeno forces and the constant chaos invasions. Basically I am curious as to how many marines I can put into the legion before the Imperium deems me a high threat and a reader can reasonably believe. As far as equipment goes all I can really do is scavenge, trade or otherwise pray for a mysterious benefactor in order to acquire new gear. Aside from these is there any way to procure new armor? Another idea is that the legion will be fleet based to avoid a direct assault on their Temple-Monastery. Is there any common mistakes here that I should avoid? There are a slew more questions that I have but I will save those for later posts in this thread. Thanks in advance for your input! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 So I've decided to reboot my old army and start playing 40k once more! However I have chosen that I want to do a DIY chapter for various reasons and have some ideas but want to see if I could get away with them first so opinions and facts are welcomed equally. Do you think that a chapter could get away with 5-10k marines without invoking the wraith of the Imperium? I mean of course the Imperium isn't going to like me because I will be excommunicated but will they actively pursue my demise above all else. Will it be feasible or even remotely believable for a chapter to grow to this size? The Idea is that the chapter went rogue after it decided that it needed legions of old to combat the growing threat of xeno forces and the constant chaos invasions. Basically I am curious as to how many marines I can put into the legion before the Imperium deems me a high threat and a reader can reasonably believe. As far as equipment goes all I can really do is scavenge, trade or otherwise pray for a mysterious benefactor in order to acquire new gear. Aside from these is there any way to procure new armor? Another idea is that the legion will be fleet based to avoid a direct assault on their Temple-Monastery. Is there any common mistakes here that I should avoid? There are a slew more questions that I have but I will save those for later posts in this thread. Thanks in advance for your input! I'm not an expert, but the only Space Marine Chapter that is anywhere near that size are the Black Templars, and it seems to me that the reasons why they get away with it are: They are scattered in various parts of the Imperium, being Fleet based and thereby hard to get accurate figures on just how many there are They are fiercely loyal to the Imperium, are a Second Founding Chapter and have a reputation for zeal, loyalty and general Xenos/Witch hating/asskicking. I can only state what I think would happen if the Imperium realise that your Chapter is getting too big, but I think that if your Chapter was overtly/blatantly going out of their way to recruit as many Marines as possible, without any...discretion then the Imperium will step in and tell them to cease and desist pretty quickly. If they are being sneaky and the numbers grow slowly over a long period of time, then the Imperium might take a long time to find out. In either case, eventually, some organisation will find out about it and report back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 the astral claws got to about 3k marines before they were stomped, so i think 5-10 is a bit overboard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistorius Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Ooh. I have an idea. What if your chapter had been slowly over-reporting casualties and equipment losses, when in reality they were putting members of the chapter in stasis and building up massive hidden caches of weapons in preparation for some Apocalyptic event that they believed was coming (or was foretold by the chapter's librarians). Heck, you could make them a Blood Angels chapter that believe they have found some secret text penned by Sanguinus himself. Their longevity could help with the slow buildup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord-Rakszan Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I struggle to understand your reasoning behind this idea that the old legions are the solution. If you insist on going in depth with this idea then don't hesitate to tell us, but if you want my advice, the idea stated by Pistorius is pretty kick ass. Good Luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmere Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 the astral claws got to about 3k marines before they were stomped, so i think 5-10 is a bit overboard. I see what you mean but the Astral Claws made one major mistake. They stopped giving their Tithes to AdMech. Granted messing with everyone else's tithes didn't help but never, ever, never mess with AdMech. Ooh. I have an idea. What if your chapter had been slowly over-reporting casualties and equipment losses, when in reality they were putting members of the chapter in stasis and building up massive hidden caches of weapons in preparation for some Apocalyptic event that they believed was coming (or was foretold by the chapter's librarians). Heck, you could make them a Blood Angels chapter that believe they have found some secret text penned by Sanguinus himself. Their longevity could help with the slow buildup. That is actually not an entirely bad idea. Though I don't know about the BA stuff seeing as how I was imagining the chapter being more along the lines of Black Templar's or Dark Angels... Though I am not sure how I could get away with that seeing as how the DA have had only a handful of known successors. The chapter could probably get away with that for some rather long time. That is until they got found out, excommunicated and started waking up the legions from stasis. Like Aquilanus said eventually someone will figure out that this chapter simply has too many deaths and start asking questions. My only fear is that in some way I'd piss off AdMech. would bring the wrath of the Admech down on them in a way that would make Khorne wince. AdMech scares me... Another question; how could a space marine chapter on the fringes of the known Imperium keep their numbers a secret from the ever inquisitive Inquisition? I know the BT are able to get away with it because their armies are so well spread out that there is no real way to account for them all. Not to mention they are, as Aquilanus stated, incredibly loyal. I had my eyes on a fleet based chapter so that might be one way. Are there any other possible ways to get away with such numbers? -Darkmere Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmere Posted August 10, 2012 Author Share Posted August 10, 2012 I struggle to understand your reasoning behind this idea that the old legions are the solution.If you insist on going in depth with this idea then don't hesitate to tell us, but if you want my advice, the idea stated by Pistorius is pretty kick ass. Good Luck! Well the way I see it is that in almost every front the Adeptus Astartes fights on they are drastically out numbered with few exceptions. If they could field a full chapters worth of Astartes like they field a company that would drastically increase their likelihood of success on pure numbers and strength at arms. If such a legion existed it would be like 4-5 chapters working with near perfect unison in the execution of their attacks and defense. Think of how terrifying it would be for an enemy of the Imperium who knows what one chapter is capable of in battle then hearing there is one 5x that size. Not to mention that it wouldn't be too farfetched for a Astartes to look back in history when they were fielded in whole legions and relate the size of the army to the factor of success that the legions had in conquering what is now the known Imperium. Essentially an Astartes wanting the glory of old once more, to have the ability to defend his Emperor and all his domain. I think the hard part is going to be preventing people from associating the legion as another Badab in the making. Keep in mind I am flirting with the idea more so than anything and more or less I am looking for the opinions and suggestions of the community before I make my own. And I do agree, Pistorius's idea is pretty bad ass! -Darkmere (Sorry for DP) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3145955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlunu Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 People in stasis, use SMs as vehicle crew and keep slightly over strength infantry companies, speaking as an Alpha, nobody will notice if you have a few substitutions over a campaign. High reported loss rate is a good reason for several scout companies, which I think there are precedents for, of course you have lots of marine mentors with the scouts to accelerate their training. Lots of small garrisons on protected planets which aren't factored in, a tac. squad, a heavy weapons specialist, an armourer etc. on each planet, several on hive worlds, and you have a company every couple of systems. Thought for the day: Even the smurfs are actually over strength. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3146309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Brother Spyrle Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Why not do it the tried and true way: Create Successor Chapters, but ensure that they are subservient to the main chapter. Works for Ultras and Dark Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3146397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmere Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Thought for the day: Even the smurfs are actually over strength. I caught every other word but I think I get what you're saying. Why not do it the tried and true way: Create Successor Chapters, but ensure that they are subservient to the main chapter. Works for Ultras and Dark Angels. Not a half bad idea either. Reminds me of Badab in the sense the eventually he started eating up his successor chapters. I have a few more questions before I start the writing process and really put the idea down on paper (virtual paper anyway...). Do you think there would be any reason why I couldn't or otherwise shouldn't use the chapter name of "Redeemers"? From my understanding it was made by GW but nothing has been ever disclosed about them. No Color, heraldry nor gene-seed. Notta. I do understand that I risk GW pumping out some fluff and having some issues there but from what I understand GW simply mentioned the name back in 2001 and that was it so... And one more question. What color scheme should I go with. Option 1: Regular Tact. Sergeant Option 2: Regular Tact. Sergeant As always any input is appreciated. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3148016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalos Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I prefer option 2. I also really like the idea of the stasis thing. It could work really well with DA as an attempt to speed the hunt for the fallen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3148044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmere Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 I prefer option 2. I also really like the idea of the stasis thing. It could work really well with DA as an attempt to speed the hunt for the fallen. I totally agree... I might just make it a DA successor chapter after all. Would have to do some more research though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258668-chapter-ideas/#findComment-3148083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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