NovaScotius Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Hi all, This might be a stupid question, but I can't seem to find the answer to it. Are Runic Weapons classed as Unusual Force Weapons? I would say that they are, as they have a unique close combat rule (Regarding the wounding of Daemons), and are therefore Strength of the user and AP 3 regardless of what the weapon actually is. I've got a friend who is adamant that as the roll to wound Daemons is a set value, regardless of the strength of the wielder, the Runic Wepon should count as what it is modelled to be. Now I'm happy either way, but I really want to know how others are playing this, as I don't want to challenge a Veteran Sergeant with a Power Fist only to find that I'm swinging my Runic Axe as an unwieldy weapon and going simultaneously! Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 The answer lies in the phrasing on BRB p.60 "If a force weapon has its own unique close combat rules..." Does a Runic weapon have a unique close combat rule? Yes. I've had people argue that and that my Purifiers w/ NFHalberds strike on I:1 too... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 hmk17 is correct and your friend is incorrect. It's really simple. If the rules entry stated rune priest have a "power weapon" which use the rules in the big rulebook then it would have to adhere to how it was modeled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 The answer lies in the phrasing on BRB p.60 "If a force weapon has its own unique close combat rules..." Does a Runic weapon have a unique close combat rule? Yes. I've had people argue that and that my Purifiers w/ NFHalberds strike on I:1 too... Agreed. Normal Force Weapons don't wound Daemons on a 2+ regardless of Toughness, so this is unusual - therefore a Force Weapon which wounds Daemons on a 2+ regardless of Toughness is an unusual Force Weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaScotius Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Cheers for the replies - I thought I was right! Time to go chop up some Veteran Sergeants :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'm sorry to bring it up because I'd love the Runic weapon to be unusual for the AP 3 but unless it is stated in the FAQ that the weapon is unusual it is not. i.e. The Grey Knight FAQ does state their weapons are unusual, our FAQ does not so it is a force staff; +2 strength AP 4. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'm sorry to bring it up because I'd love the Runic weapon to be unusual for the AP 3 but unless it is stated in the FAQ that the weapon is unusual it is not. i.e. The Grey Knight FAQ does state their weapons are unusual, our FAQ does not so it is a force staff; +2 strength AP 4. G :eek, no. It doesn't have to be specifically stated as being unusual in an FAQ. The BRB clearly defines Unusual Power Weapons and Unusual Force Weapons - and the Runic Weapon is one such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 plus as ours are noted purely as Force Weapons - if you model it as a Staff = +2 Str Ap4, an Axe = +1 Str Ap2 and Sword = Ap3 :eek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 they have their own specific set of rules, which makes them unusual. just like the GK ones do, with out the need for it to be in the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'm sorry to bring it up because I'd love the Runic weapon to be unusual for the AP 3 but unless it is stated in the FAQ that the weapon is unusual it is not. i.e. The Grey Knight FAQ does state their weapons are unusual, our FAQ does not so it is a force staff; +2 strength AP 4. G I think the GK required more of a FAQ update because they have a large variety of force weapons. GW probably decided to take the bull by the horns and address them specifically. We have one type, which fits the unusual force weapon quite easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 well I thought that they had set a standard. if its unique we'll tell you in the FAQ. I don't want it to be the case but they screwed all chapies so why not all libbies too. Thats how we see it around here anyway. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 because crozius has a name it is special so they changes all in to maces , because it always was a form of a 2ed/RT power maul . libbies force weapons do not have own rules [and there is the RT/2ed thing of staff/ax/sword having own different rules] so there was nothing to screw with . unless you count the hood change , but as a SW you dont care about that right ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/258772-runic-weapons/#findComment-3146674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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