jeremy1391 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 So I just listened to Butcher's nails and have concluded Angron is unhinged! Besides the fact he is a mighty warrior why would the Emperor let this psycho run a legion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Losing faith in your golden wonderboy? Just a little Bit further to knowing the Primordial truth! Did I mention the cookies? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3149481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 LOL, I recovered from my chaos addiction of World Eaters and Emperors Children after the 3.5 dex. But I mean really is the Emperor that blind? I am a SSG in the real army and just the tactics used by the world eaters under Angron and the sheer amount of casualties sustained should be cause for him to be relieved of command. Honestly Khârn pre-betrayer should have been kept in charge and Angron should have been used as a terror weapon..... Just saying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3149543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 That's the burden of knowledge I'm afraid. I was a martial arts teacher for years and I get the same thing every time I watch an action movie. All these supposed heroic, incredible fighters keep making rookie errors because in reality they're just actors who've been given a crash course by a choreographer to do stuff that'll look cool even if it'd never work. Likewise I can't watch medical dramas with my doctor/physio mates or historical drama with history majors because they'll spend the whole thing pointing out the inaccuracies. Bottom line is, remember that the guy writing knows less about this particular field than you and employ a bit of suspension of disbelief. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3149713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfel Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Another point to consider is that it was big E's one man show, for the sake of humanity, all along. Primarchs were tools to secure humanity's reign and future and Angron was a necessary evil to be used when certain theatres of war demanded a butcher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 That's the burden of knowledge I'm afraid. I was a martial arts teacher for years and I get the same thing every time I watch an action movie. All these supposed heroic, incredible fighters keep making rookie errors because in reality they're just actors who've been given a crash course by a choreographer to do stuff that'll look cool even if it'd never work. Likewise I can't watch medical dramas with my doctor/physio mates or historical drama with history majors because they'll spend the whole thing pointing out the inaccuracies. Bottom line is, remember that the guy writing knows less about this particular field than you and employ a bit of suspension of disbelief. This is what makes it harder to enjoy fiction now adays. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 LOL, I recovered from my chaos addiction of World Eaters and Emperors Children after the 3.5 dex. But I mean really is the Emperor that blind? I am a SSG in the real army and just the tactics used by the world eaters under Angron and the sheer amount of casualties sustained should be cause for him to be relieved of command. Honestly Khârn pre-betrayer should have been kept in charge and Angron should have been used as a terror weapon..... Just saying. There are a lot of instances in Black Library literature that make me Facepalm as much, if not more. Its amazing how Power Armored Soldiers became the bulwark of the Crusades instead of Shock Troopers, because... **** it, Wine and Badgers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 So I just listened to Butcher's nails and have concluded Angron is unhinged! Besides the fact he is a mighty warrior why would the Emperor let this psycho run a legion! The same reason the Big E allowed Russ and his Wolves, Night Haunter's brood, or any of the other planet killing Legions to exist. They are meant to kill and murder, albeit in a controlled fashion. Angron OBEYED the Emperor and did the Imperium's work for decades (at a minimum) before the Heresy. Screw loose? Certainly. But the Emperor seemed to have great faith in his Primarchs as seen with allowing Lorgar to go about his wacky preacher business for so long while HOPING Lorgar would get the Imperial Truth. The Emperor trusted his gene engineered super lieutenants to manage their business and seemed to have a broad array of what was acceptable. Mind you, I largely agree. Angron probably should have been given the Old Yeller treatment. (Due to knowledge of how the Heresy pans out.) Not exactly outstanding leadership material, that Angron. Board meetings are short though: "Ok folks, I have called you in here to remind you all TO GET OUT THERE AND KILL! WHY ARE YOU STILL IN HERE?! GO GO GO!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I think guys like Angron got their jobs because Big E knew Horus would turn them in the end so he made sure the other side was getting defective leaders insuring their ultimate defeat. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think guys like Angron got their jobs because Big E knew Horus would turn them in the end so he made sure the other side was getting defective leaders insuring their ultimate defeat. ;) Because that worked out really well. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If you are VERY good at your job even the most hide bound military organization will put up with a few eccentricities. Look at Jack Churchill, decorated British WW2 commando...who liked to go into battle with a longbow, broadsword, and bagpipes. Not to supplement his kit, to fight with! (The only person on any side of the war to have confirmed longbow kills). Yes, Angron has a higher level of eccentric than most, but he's also much better at his job than most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think people often forget just how much of an investment the Primarchs were. The Emperor created them as a one off and he couldn't just dispose of his investments. Besides, he likely wasn't as "Angron" before the Heresy as during and after. The galaxy is a big place too; if Angron does something bad on the other side of the galaxy the Emperor would only know about it if he's told about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Well he managed to get rid of two of them ... But I understand your point. The fact that they are not even spoken about suggests the enormity of their failings. Also I cant say I know too much about the missions the WE went on during the crusade, but I'd imagine they would be target ones to completely destroy the incumbent civilization, say to make room for a forge world or somewhere that bring all the new inhabitants from off world Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3150985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 The Emperor needed folks like Angron(and the Haunter) who did what they were created to do, kill and maim in the Emperor's crusade to conquer the Galaxy. He needed warriors who would go further then any xenos or renegade human culture to achieve victory, no matter the cost. Angron did his job.... well until that whole Horus Heresy doohick anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3151012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 So I just listened to Butcher's nails and have concluded Angron is unhinged! Besides the fact he is a mighty warrior why would the Emperor let this psycho run a legion! The same reason the Big E allowed Russ and his Wolves, Night Haunter's brood, or any of the other planet killing Legions to exist. They are meant to kill and murder, albeit in a controlled fashion. Angron OBEYED the Emperor and did the Imperium's work for decades (at a minimum) before the Heresy. Screw loose? Certainly. But the Emperor seemed to have great faith in his Primarchs as seen with allowing Lorgar to go about his wacky preacher business for so long while HOPING Lorgar would get the Imperial Truth. The Emperor trusted his gene engineered super lieutenants to manage their business and seemed to have a broad array of what was acceptable. Mind you, I largely agree. Angron probably should have been given the Old Yeller treatment. (Due to knowledge of how the Heresy pans out.) Not exactly outstanding leadership material, that Angron. Board meetings are short though: "Ok folks, I have called you in here to remind you all TO GET OUT THERE AND KILL! WHY ARE YOU STILL IN HERE?! GO GO GO!" Russ may have been off his nut a bit, but he did what he was told and would not go into full on berserker mode, he was a predator who was vicious and cunning. The Haunter was a psycho but he was a cold calculating get into your head and drive you crazy with fear before killing you that is of course if you didn't kill yourself first thinking it would be less painful. Russ is like a sledge hammer controllable to a point but still somewhat hard to control, The haunter is a poisoned scalpel surgical and malicious, Angron was a barrel of napalm with with a stick of dynamite with a short fuse attached kill everything in his way..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3151231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 What I would like to have seen is Angron before the implants. Then I could get a real idea of what he and his Legion where suppose to be like. Lets face it in that short in Tales Khârn seamed a pretty good guy. I'd have killed the guy and told Big E he spaced himself buy accident trying to escape the ship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3151322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 What I would like to have seen is Angron before the implants. Then I could get a real idea of what he and his Legion where suppose to be like. Lets face it in that short in Tales Khârn seamed a pretty good guy. I'd have killed the guy and told Big E he spaced himself buy accident trying to escape the ship. Problem with that though is the space of time before the implants is so small there wouldn't be much to go on I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3151337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalfron Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Russ may have been off his nut a bit, but he did what he was told and would not go into full on berserker mode, he was a predator who was vicious and cunning. The Haunter was a psycho but he was a cold calculating get into your head and drive you crazy with fear before killing you that is of course if you didn't kill yourself first thinking it would be less painful. Russ is like a sledge hammer controllable to a point but still somewhat hard to control, The haunter is a poisoned scalpel surgical and malicious, Angron was a barrel of napalm with with a stick of dynamite with a short fuse attached kill everything in his way..... Exactly spot on here i think, on all three Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 What I would like to have seen is Angron before the implants. Truth is, he was the most pleasant of the primarchs, before being abducted into slavery and having the Butcher's Nails jammed into his noggin. When he was discovered, he was picking daisies and trying to befriend kittens in the fields while singing dulcet songs to the birds and creatures of nature. See, that's how it makes sense: Corax, the Lion, Kurze... these guys were fighting and killing from the time they got out of the birthing pod, popping slavers' heads in their bare hands on Lycaeus, killing Calibanite Daemon Beasts naked and unarmed, butchering Nostromo's Most Wanted and hanging them up by their entrails, what have you. Angron gets kidnapped. But not just kidnapped: he gets kidnapped, subjugated, has painful rage amplifiers pounded into his rapidly-regenerating primarch skull, and is then made to fight for the entertainment of the masses. What the hell kind of security must they have had at this place, where he didn't just kill his way out, age 3? Did they have Titans at the gates, because that's probably the only thing that could stand in the way of a young primarch, if the fluff is to be believed (a full-grown Fulgrim drops Warhounds in The Mirror Crack'd...). Anybody care to explain this? Sounds to me like Angron has some serious compensation issues, or maybe he's just mad that the brief bliss of his youth was stolen by his originally complacent nature. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 What I would like to have seen is Angron before the implants. Truth is, he was the most pleasant of the primarchs, before being abducted into slavery and having the Butcher's Nails jammed into his noggin. When he was discovered, he was picking daisies and trying to befriend kittens in the fields while singing dulcet songs to the birds and creatures of nature. See, that's how it makes sense: Corax, the Lion, Kurze... these guys were fighting and killing from the time they got out of the birthing pod, popping slavers' heads in their bare hands on Lycaeus, killing Calibanite Daemon Beasts naked and unarmed, butchering Nostromo's Most Wanted and hanging them up by their entrails, what have you. Angron gets kidnapped. But not just kidnapped: he gets kidnapped, subjugated, has painful rage amplifiers pounded into his rapidly-regenerating primarch skull, and is then made to fight for the entertainment of the masses. What the hell kind of security must they have had at this place, where he didn't just kill his way out, age 3? Did they have Titans at the gates, because that's probably the only thing that could stand in the way of a young primarch, if the fluff is to be believed (a full-grown Fulgrim drops Warhounds in The Mirror Crack'd...). Anybody care to explain this? Sounds to me like Angron has some serious compensation issues, or maybe he's just mad that the brief bliss of his youth was stolen by his originally complacent nature. If only, Angron's pod gets found by Eldar before anyone else gets there, when the humans arrive it's a small child surrounded by dead Aspect Warriors that they find. Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Rik, you got me. Completely forgot about those blasted Eldar.... Still, I would like to know how they kept him all those years.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Angrons problem with Big E had nothing to do with how he grew up. Remember Angron was the Sparticus of his world only when dad came to find him instead of helping him defeat his tormenters Big E kidnaps him in the night and leaves his followers and friends to be slaughtered by their captors. That what drove Angron over to Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith IV Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 "I have never failed to win a war my way." -Angron, to Lorgar Aurelian, The Butcher's Nails Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 "I have never failed to win a war my way." -Angron, to Lorgar Aurelian, The Butcher's Nails True Angron may have been the Butcher but at what cost were his victories??? I honestly believe that the world eaters must have suffered astounding amounts of injuries and deaths in the prosecution of their campaigns after finding Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 "I have never failed to win a war my way." -Angron, to Lorgar Aurelian, The Butcher's Nails True Angron may have been the Butcher but at what cost were his victories??? I honestly believe that the world eaters must have suffered astounding amounts of injuries and deaths in the prosecution of their campaigns after finding Angron. In an age when hacking to death people with chainsaw swords is the norm, pretty sure being angry while hacking people to death with chainsaw axes isn't that bad a tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259008-angrons-personality/#findComment-3153814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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