SamaNagol Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 If your list contains only units in drop pods or in Storm Ravens.... can you start with nothing on the board? Or does the Storm Raven have to start on the board even though it is a flyer due to the 50% rule? Just want to clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 You cant put anything in the Raven. But yeah, pods and Ravens allows for 0 deployment In my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 ...your reply has thrown up more questions than it has answered. I can't put anything in the Raven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonMajick Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 SR can't be a dedicated transport, therefore anything you transport in the SR has to be balanced with a unit that starts on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 SR can't be a dedicated transport, therefore anything you transport in the SR has to be balanced with a unit that starts on the board. I'll need to review my rulebook when I'm at home but rounding up aren't you able to place that single unit in the Raven? If you had an IC, Death company and a dread however you'd be able to place 2 out of 3 into the raven? You can place 50 percent of your forces into reserves rounding UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yeah thats what I meant. If you want everything off the board, there cant be anything inside the Raven, because anything inside the raven needs to be balanced by something on the board. Ragnarok I wasnt sure if ravens AND pods needed balancing to be honest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yeah thats what I meant.If you want everything off the board, there cant be anything inside the Raven, because anything inside the raven needs to be balanced by something on the board. Even with 1 unit and rounding up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthanor Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Indeed! Drop pod and anything it contains (units, ICs, dread, no matter if the pod is their dedicated transport or not) do not count because the pod has to enter by deep strike Raven does not count because it is a flyer. Any unit you want to put in the Raven counts towards the 50% limit as the raven does not have to enter by deep strike, only to start in reserve. NOTE: Since a Raven is not a dedicated transport, the debate on whether a dedicated transport flyer makes the unit it contains not count does not apply. Phew... So if you want pods + 1 raven with dread and unit in it, you also need one unit on the ground. That gives you 3 units that count (Dread and unit in raven + unit on the ground), which when halved (rounded up) allows you 2 starting in reserve. Similarly, pods + 2 full ravens require 3 units on the ground since 4 units in ravens + 3 on the ground = 7, 7/2 (rounded up) = 4 allowed in reserve. Even with 1 unit and rounding up? Good catch! Pods + ravens (however many) and 1 unit in a raven also works, since 1 in reserve + 0 deployed = 1, 1/2 (rounded up) = 1 allowed in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 I understand. Well that scuppers that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marik Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Units deploying in the Ravens count toward your deployment minimum which is why the ravens would have to be empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunate Son Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 But if the enemy gets first turn, at the end of their turn, they win since you don't have any units on the board... Right? Sieze=Victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Units deploying in the Ravens count toward your deployment minimum which is why the ravens would have to be empty No not empty, just 1 unit. Arthanor explained it perfectly. But if the enemy gets first turn, at the end of their turn, they win since you don't have any units on the board...Right? Sieze=Victory! No, it specifically says game turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Blayse Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Otherwise, just run all your troops and dreads in drop pods and just reserve the SR's as gunships. It still gives you the ability to "DOA" just without the Descent of Angels rule. Drop pods are pretty safe for getting your guys where you want them, even more now that you disembark up to 6". You can have your whole squad jump out right where you want them for max firepower. The only drawback is that you have to wait until at least turn 2 before the flyers begin to show up. I'm thinking something like: 5 drop pods, carrying a mix of RAS, DC, and Tac Squads, plus DC dread. 2 Stormravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDunc Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 NOTE: Since a Raven is not a dedicated transport, the debate on whether a dedicated transport flyer makes the unit it contains not count does not apply. Phew... :D :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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