Questions about Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons.

[Brother Kirus]

Greetings gentlemen, 

 

I am about to start my new painting project which will be Pre-Heresy Thousand Son sergeant but I have some questions that I need to clarify before I proceed. 

 

So, here we go.... 

 

1) There are several cults within TS legion. Is this list more or less correct: 

 

a) Pyrae (symbol - Scarlet Phoenix) - Pyrokinetics.

':P Pavoni (symbol - Colorful Feather) - manipulate body chemisty.

c) Athanean (symbol - Third Eye) - Telepaths. 

d) Corvidae (symbol - Black Raven Head) - Prophets. 

e) Raptora (symbol -?) - Telekinesis. 

 

2) What weapons are appropriate for the sergeants of each cult, or do they all just use bolters/bolt pistols?

 

3) Scarab Occult - are all SO members clad in terminator armor or some members had regular power armor? 

 

4)Tutelaries and heka staff. Are these only attributed to captains  or regular sergeants can have them too? 

 

Thank you!

[MadDoc]

1) There are several cults within TS legion. Is this list more or less correct: 

 

a) Pyrae (symbol - Scarlet Phoenix) - Pyrokinetics.

':o Pavoni (symbol - Colorful Feather) - manipulate body chemisty.

c) Athanean (symbol - Third Eye) - Telepaths. 

d) Corvidae (symbol - Black Raven Head) - Prophets. 

e) Raptora (symbol -?) - Telekinesis. 

Looks right to me, although, I think Pavoni would be more accurately called Biomancy/Biomancers (basically each Cult follows one of the five Psychic Disciplines listed in the 6E 40K Rulebook).

Biomancy - Pavoni

Divination - Corvidae

Pyromancy - Pyrae

Telekinesis - Raptorae

Telepathy - Athanean

Unfortunately, offhand I don't remember any reference to the cult symbol for the Raptorae, so I can't help you there sorry.

 

2) What weapons are appropriate for the sergeants of each cult, or do they all just use bolters/bolt pistols?

I think the weapons carried by each sergeant would be based on their individual preferences rather than their cult. The one thing I would suggest though is that the weapons should be based around Ancient Egyptian weapons, i.e. khopesh (sickle swords), battle axes or 'spades' (both the wide smiled cutting & narrow piercing style axes, crescent bladed pole-arms) and Egyptian daggers (short gladii style daggers).

 

3) Scarab Occult - are all SO members clad in terminator armor or some members had regular power armor?

I believe there is a mix of both.

 

4)Tutelaries and heka staff. Are these only attributed to captains  or regular sergeants can have them too? 

I don't recall any such restriction/distinction being made for the heka staffs. Its hard to tell based on A Thousands Sons, but tutelaries appeared to be wide spread (any TS member that was a psyker appeared to have, or be able to have, a tutelary - the Raptorae generating the Tizca kine shield all seemed to have tutelaries and I doubt they were all Captains).

 

As such, I'd say go for it for sergeants too (although I'd still limit the number of heka staffs you include).

 

Thank you!

Hopefully I was of at least some help. :P

 

Good luck.

[Kierdale]

I think MadDoc covered everything. I'll just add some comments if I may.

 

Yes, there doesn't seem to be an official Raptorae symbol yet. I haven't made any of that cult's members in my army yet but I think I'll go with a claw or wing-like icon when I do.

 

The Tomb Kings kits for Fantasy Battle are a goldmine of parts for Pre-HH Thousand Sons armies.

 

One thing with the heqa staffs is that you'll have to keep some uniformity across your army: if sergeants have heqa (counting as power mauls or whatever) then what will your librarian have?

There's also the ancient Egyptian flail (nekhakha) as an iconic weapon. I gave my Chaplain Corvidae Adept Exemptus one and it looks great as a counts-as-Crozius.

 

Also, I'll add that MadDoc made a great animated Pre-HH 1KSon (as in my sig)!

 

Lastly: post pictures once you get started, Brother Kirus.

[Brother Kirus]

Thank you, guys for your comments/answers!  

 

I need to clarify one thing though... I am not looking to build an army. I am planing a painting project (one of two I will be able to work on for this year) and at this point I am looking at a single model (I am very tempted to make a squad of five guys but fear that time might be an issue). In any case, I am going either for a sergeant or a captan. 

 

As far as weapons goes, I am still not sure what I am going for. Right now I think power sword and bolter. I plan to model powersword to closely resemble khopesh. 

 

Also, thank you for you suggestions about new Tomb Kings range. I know it has a lot of useful bitz. As it happens I am building this army as my fantasy project at the rate I am working on it I should be done with it some time around 2020 (-: 

 

So, here is another question for you guys...

 

Would a Scarab Occult sergeant in Mk III power armor with a power khopesh and bolter be a reasonable choice? 

 

Thanks!

 

P.S. I am not good at taking pictures - I need a new camera big time! But I will post my progress on my blog.

[Raven Angel]

Yea but you might want to go with Mk II or Mk IV armor instead. As a member of the legion elite he should have access to the legions best equipment and both of these Mks where considered to be superior for use over Mk III in most circumstances.

[Brother Kirus]

Thanks for suggestion. Two things here: 

 

One, as far as I know Mk III is the same as Mk II but more heavily modified. 

 

The second issue here is that I am currently working on Mk IV but have no idea how fast I can finish it. On the other hand I already have finished Mk III (except I still need to make a backpack).  

[Raven Angel]

Mk III is more armored on the front, less on the back. It is also suppose to be far more cumbersome. It was primarily used in boarding operations. Only the Iron Warriors seam to have preferred Mk III plate over other Mks. Ultimately the choice is yours and I'm sure either will look good.