Canis a not as great model as I'd hoped.

[Sneekystabs]

Ok so after a few weeks asking around 99% of people say they would never take Canis in a match under 2k points which was a bummer as he was the first model I purchased. Having said that is it legal to run him as a wolf lord with a thunder wolf mount? If so that would put an end to me wasting my money on a fairly expensive model.

[Runesch]

Yes you can use him as a regular wolf lord.

 

 

 

 

 

Rune

[Sneekystabs]

Would he be worth the points in a 1500 point game?

[Xeenos]

I dont think he is as bad as people say. Mind im a theory crafter. But on paper if you compare his gear price to a comparable Wolf Guard Battle Leader, not counting his special abilities he comes out to the same price. Now he has less LD but more Attack (6!) and Wounds so its a trade off. Then you have to look at his special rules, Wolf Claws + Rending, his extra attack thing, and more importantly, giving all Wolves I5 LD7. So dont look at him as a lead figure for your army, but rather he is a good, cheap champion type, he is at his peak when taken in an army that makes use of Wolves. If your not going to use the Fen Wolves, then he is not as obvious a choice as you can save the points by not taking the Wolf Kin saga at all.

 

That said, im not real keen on the char himself, nor his story. He also has no place as a HQ with his LD 8, he should be a Upgrade for either Fen Wolves, or Thunder Cav.

[Sneekystabs]

I dont think he is as bad as people say. Mind im a theory crafter. But on paper if you compare his gear price to a comparable Wolf Guard Battle Leader, not counting his special abilities he comes out to the same price. Now he has less LD but more Attack (6!) and Wounds so its a trade off. Then you have to look at his special rules, Wolf Claws + Rending, his extra attack thing, and more importantly, giving all Wolves I5 LD7. So dont look at him as a lead figure for your army, but rather he is a good, cheap champion type, he is at his peak when taken in an army that makes use of Wolves. If your not going to use the Fen Wolves, then he is not as obvious a choice as you can save the points by not taking the Wolf Kin saga at all.

 

That said, im not real keen on the char himself, nor his story. He also has no place as a HQ with his LD 8, he should be a Upgrade for either Fen Wolves, or Thunder Cav.

 

 

Thanks for the info man, but as others have said to me he would be better in a 2k point game. As for his fluff and whatnot yeah I wasn't a big fan either, I did however like the model itself and his abillitys would be great against orks.

[Grimtooth]

I dont think he is as bad as people say. Mind im a theory crafter. But on paper if you compare his gear price to a comparable Wolf Guard Battle Leader, not counting his special abilities he comes out to the same price. Now he has less LD but more Attack (6!) and Wounds so its a trade off. Then you have to look at his special rules, Wolf Claws + Rending, his extra attack thing, and more importantly, giving all Wolves I5 LD7. So dont look at him as a lead figure for your army, but rather he is a good, cheap champion type, he is at his peak when taken in an army that makes use of Wolves. If your not going to use the Fen Wolves, then he is not as obvious a choice as you can save the points by not taking the Wolf Kin saga at all.

 

That said, im not real keen on the char himself, nor his story. He also has no place as a HQ with his LD 8, he should be a Upgrade for either Fen Wolves, or Thunder Cav.

 

Canis´ wolf claws are not rending.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Canis isnt worth his points at any level for a simple thing: he has no invul save.

 

in the game was it is, any character dedicated to close combat (as mounted on a thunder wolf and/or rocking twin claws pretty much is) without a invul save is a gigantic waste of points. the ease of killing him makes his slightly cheaper cost still a waste, as well as him taking up a HQ slot.

 

now if he was a unit upgrade like Lukas or Ajrac, maybe i wouldnt hate on him so much. But he is a HQ, and a butt ugly model to boot.

 

WLK

[Spacefrisian]

And who said you cant use the model as a normal Wolf Lord?

[-Volsung-]

Hell, you can even use him as just another thunderwolf cavalryman. I don't think anything is stopping you from using it as whatever you want to use it for.

 

Ideas-

 

Canis as himself

Canis as a Wolf Lord HQ on TW

Canis as a TWC marine

Canis as a Paper Weight

[Wulfebane]

Hell, you can even use him as just another thunderwolf cavalryman. I don't think anything is stopping you from using it as whatever you want to use it for.

 

Ideas-

 

Canis as himself

Canis as a Wolf Lord HQ on TW

Canis as a TWC marine

Canis as a Paper Weight

 

Canis as an interpretation of a TWL rendered in bronze statue form.

(In case you're one of those people that spend money/effort on building terrain.)

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Hell, you can even use him as just another thunderwolf cavalryman. I don't think anything is stopping you from using it as whatever you want to use it for.

 

Ideas-

 

Canis as himself

Canis as a Wolf Lord HQ on TW

Canis as a TWC marine

Canis as a Paper Weight

 

thats probably the best use for him.

 

WLK

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Canis isnt worth his points at any level for a simple thing: he has no invul save.

 

in the game was it is, any character dedicated to close combat (as mounted on a thunder wolf and/or rocking twin claws pretty much is) without a invul save is a gigantic waste of points. the ease of killing him makes his slightly cheaper cost still a waste, as well as him taking up a HQ slot.

 

now if he was a unit upgrade like Lukas or Ajrac, maybe i wouldnt hate on him so much. But he is a HQ, and a butt ugly model to boot.

 

WLK

 

Given that Canis has just a 3+, him not having a ++ save seems pretty bad, even at t5. I think Mephiston can get away with not having an invulnerable save because of the nerfing to power weapons, the fact that a 2+ is twice as good as a 3+ against small arms fire, and that Meph is on a small base. It is a shame that two of the individuals in C:SW are not worth taking [Canis and Lukas] and Ulrik and Njal are generally 'okay'.

 

I'd have thought GW could have made them a bit more compelling to take :geek:

 

I like your sig, btw. You look good as a Dark Angel spruiker. ;)

[euphemismo]

I cut the claws off the left hand of my Canis model to run a duel wielding claw/power fist Thunder Wolf Lord. Add runic armor, belt of Russ, and other bells and whistles and you're good to go.

 

I run him with three TWC at 1850. You can squeeze them at 1500 too.

[Coverfire]

Canis´ wolf claws are not rending.

 

Is this still in effect? I quickly browsed at the lastest FAQ and couldn't see it. I don't think that it is overpowered, but certainly not for Canis to have anyway.

[Ezeriel]

Canis as an interpretation of a TWL rendered in bronze statue form.

(In case you're one of those people that spend money/effort on building terrain.)

 

Probably the best idea I've heard for him. He'd look pretty nice if put on a cool base.

[Wulfebane]

Canis´ wolf claws are not rending.

 

Is this still in effect? I quickly browsed at the lastest FAQ and couldn't see it. I don't think that it is overpowered, but certainly not for Canis to have anyway.

 

You cannot have Rending if you use a special weapon that doesn't have Rending as part of its USRs. Only a standard ccw can benefit from a TWM's Rending. Its the same principal as special weapons not benefiting from a MotW's Rending.

[Sneekystabs]

And who said you cant use the model as a normal Wolf Lord?

 

No one has said I can't. I'm just fairly new to 40k and was just wondering if it was legal for tournaments. I'm entering my first in September :D

 

I'm hoping to get the new chaos codex as I have more modles and a few heavy support plus be and a mate are going halfs in the new starter pack, but if the codex is after the tournament then ill just use the puppys.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Given that Canis has just a 3+, him not having a ++ save seems pretty bad, even at t5. I think Mephiston can get away with not having an invulnerable save because of the nerfing to power weapons, the fact that a 2+ is twice as good as a 3+ against small arms fire, and that Meph is on a small base. It is a shame that two of the individuals in C:SW are not worth taking [Canis and Lukas] and Ulrik and Njal are generally 'okay'.

 

I'd have thought GW could have made them a bit more compelling to take :jaw:

 

I like your sig, btw. You look good as a Dark Angel spruiker. :lol:

 

I would disagree with you in Ulrik and Njal (i think both are amazing, even if Ulrik is slightly situational)

 

and the sig...i was against using it but was convinced to wear it for now.

 

WLK

[Grimtooth]

Canis´ wolf claws are not rending.

 

Is this still in effect? I quickly browsed at the lastest FAQ and couldn't see it. I don't think that it is overpowered, but certainly not for Canis to have anyway.

 

Page 3 of the SW FAQ.

[SgtTelion]

Just thought I would throw my tuppence in -

 

I use Canis in SMALL games. In fact, my favouite list I use him in is 500pts. Its a lot of fun!

I agree his lack of invul save is a bit of a drama, but he works nicely against non power armoured armies - He is a beast when he hits ork boyz!

 

But, the model is HORRIBLE!

[DingoDv]

Probably worth an entirely new topic, but through my reading, Canis does in fact have Rending again. Two reasons, granting him the rule in his profile is a totally redundant move as he cannot attack with anything else, the second is Special Close Combat weapons appear to no loner exist. They are very clearly seperated in BRB5ed - page 42. In BRB6ed, page 60, each weapon is listed with profiles, including the chainsword - there is no mention of Special Close Combat Weapons though.

[Blacksad]

Page 3 of the SW FAQ.

[Wulfebane]

Probably worth an entirely new topic, but through my reading, Canis does in fact have Rending again. Two reasons, granting him the rule in his profile is a totally redundant move as he cannot attack with anything else, the second is Special Close Combat weapons appear to no loner exist. They are very clearly seperated in BRB5ed - page 42. In BRB6ed, page 60, each weapon is listed with profiles, including the chainsword - there is no mention of Special Close Combat Weapons though.

 

FAQ > Codex > BRB

 

FAQ says no, then no.

[Xeenos]

Eh, why does he have Rending as a special rule then? So silly..

[Blacksad]

because a Thunderwolf mount gives the rending special rule to it's rider, and in his wargear section it states "Fangir", which is decribed op page 54 of the codex: Space Wolves as a monstrous Thunderwolf, as strong as a mastodon and as tall at the shoulder as an ice troll. Canis has an improved profile, char bonusses are included in profile above. on that page, above, in the profile, special rules are listed aswell.

the rending comes from the mount, but the FAQ states that it can only be used with basic CCW. Wolf Claws aren't all that basic.

 

I really don't understand why this has to come up EVERY month...