Azekai Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well, I am glad you people are not fans of the 'utter incorruptibility' angle. Just for logic's sake my Nurgle-marked terminators will be made from GK paladins . . . everything falls to entropy in the end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3154655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I mean, we're also told that no Sister has fallen to Chaos Apart from those that fell instantly to the Bloodtide you mean. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3154670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
worloch Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 All Grey Knights are equally immune to corruption, but some are more equal than others. (bonus points to those that get the reference) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3154857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 George Orwell, Animal Farm? (And not *that* Animal Farm! :cuss ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Can't we all just get along? http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/199/4/5/the_sacred_rose_by_celeng-d57pms2.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 That picture is absolutely beautiful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 MOAR bro-sis fist! :) Caption Contest time! 1) Brother Captain: *snatching flower from sister* "That's a purple Tzeentch Warp Bloom. Prepare to be cleansed from taint" 2) Sister: "A flower, for me?" Grey Kngiht: "You look innocent. You are innocent, right? Just a little closer..." 3) Sister: "Ooohh, pretty!" Grey Knight: "Please don't see the Halberd, please don't see the Halberd, please..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 For what' worth, the story is on page 15, first timeline heading. I hate that bit of fluff by Ward. It's garbage and unnecessary. G B) In the history of the Adepta Sororitas, only one sister has ever turned. Yet here it implies they are turning in numbers on contact with the enemy. "Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint," ... WHAT!? That does not make sense at all. Why would a GK need a talisman to protect them from corruption? We have two completely broken by canon points already and we have not even gotten to the point where the murders happen. When you have conflicting stories, keep the one that makes the most sense and follows the most adhered to canon. I know I do. However, it's your army; you believe what makes sense for your part of the hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
worloch Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 George Orwell, Animal Farm? (And not *that* Animal Farm! ;) ) Yup! :) One of my favorite books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Bonus points! WooT! :) Edit: And I didn't have to google it either! (Was a little worried about what I might get for googling animal farm!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Caption Contest time! 4. Mat Ward: 'For if she could learn to love him before the last petal fell, then the spell would be broken, and he would transform back into an Ultramarine . . . if not, he was doomed to remain a Grey Knight . . . for all time.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Pure win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleax Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hi. For what' worth, the story is on page 15, first timeline heading. For what's worth I did checked the codex since the first reply, didn't found it in the 2nd page and found it the 15th page, finally!! :D Thanks anyway...GK are not my army, the background is always interesting but I didn't read it entirely yet so I did not found the story...my eyes though were hurt by the 2 wound terminators, for example. ^_^ This fluff is really extrem, that was not that bad in the first Codex:DH. :huh: This made me thought of course that GK only delay the inevitable, er no...might delay the inevitable, with the means described in this fluff... I am refering also to Slave of Darkness (Rogue Trader era) where it is said that Chaos will win....but this book was written by Chaosey fans of course :devil: ....so no, GK are for the kill and the win - as usual IMO. :) Also as I see it, Sisters are for the win. I believe they are really underrated....SW or UM much? No, the Sisters. :) About Mat Ward and the jokes ;) (lol), he is the visible part of the iceberg, the studio is behind him. Also, the codeci are all being made in the "Mat Ward vein" so no problem...well the DA codex is not. ;) (yet) Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3155728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reldn Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It's just another typical piece of Wardian fluff that I disregard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inache Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It's been my belief that the intent was not to protect against the corruption of the Grey Knights themselves, but rather to ward their armor and weapons from the bloodtide, especially since that's exactly what they do with the blood. There have been two mentions of a bloodtide in the fluff. One a sentient nano-virus from before the age of strife, and the other our mention. It's possible that the bloodtide from our codex is simply a daemon-corrupted version of the other. Which makes sense because that's exactly what was being attempted with the other. And since the other one was capable of entering even sealed power armor and causing a Space Marine to die from massive hemorrhaging, it stands to reason that they needed some other method to prevent it from entering their armor and killing them. Which could also be taken as being protected from its corruption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think you guys misread the whole thing. The Grey Knights slew the sisters because they were obviously pissed about having their geneseed from the Emperor instead of coming from Roboute Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonis Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Chaos needs a way in to corrupt someone. Hidden lusts or wants in the case of Slaanesh, unreasonable anger in the case of Khorne, etc. Grey Knights don't have that. That's what makes them a Grey Knight. Their soul is an impenetrable steel ball of righteousness with no room for doubt, or greed, or want. That's always been what made Grey Knights so special. They wouldn't have needed a blood ritual to save themselves from being corrupted. Their indomitable will is anathema to chaos. I hated that bit of fluff. I hated that some brothers were MOAR pure. I hated that Draigo was super awesome because of all this super awesome stuff that he's done which was some pretty weak writing. I still love Grey Knights but I'm ignoring most of new fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Chaos needs a way in to corrupt someone. Hidden lusts or wants in the case of Slaanesh, unreasonable anger in the case of Khorne, etc. Grey Knights don't have that. That's what makes them a Grey Knight. Their soul is an impenetrable steel ball of righteousness with no room for doubt, or greed, or want. That's always been what made Grey Knights so special. They wouldn't have needed a blood ritual to save themselves from being corrupted. Their indomitable will is anathema to chaos. I hated that bit of fluff. I hated that some brothers were MOAR pure. I hated that Draigo was super awesome because of all this super awesome stuff that he's done which was some pretty weak writing. I still love Grey Knights but I'm ignoring most of new fluff. Honestly "fluff" like this (shielding with SoB' blood) is worse than Draigo being super-badass <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Chaos needs a way in to corrupt someone. Hidden lusts or wants in the case of Slaanesh, unreasonable anger in the case of Khorne, etc. Grey Knights don't have that. That's what makes them a Grey Knight. Their soul is an impenetrable steel ball of righteousness with no room for doubt, or greed, or want. That's always been what made Grey Knights so special. They wouldn't have needed a blood ritual to save themselves from being corrupted. Their indomitable will is anathema to chaos. I hated that bit of fluff. I hated that some brothers were MOAR pure. I hated that Draigo was super awesome because of all this super awesome stuff that he's done which was some pretty weak writing. I still love Grey Knights but I'm ignoring most of new fluff. Honestly "fluff" like this (shielding with SoB' blood) is worse than Draigo being super-badass ;) You know, when you are so deep in the very heart of really bad writing skills, it's kinda hard to tell what's worse. Both things are equally dumb, ridicullous and got no coherence at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 And since the other one was capable of entering even sealed power armor and causing a Space Marine to die from massive hemorrhaging, it stands to reason that they needed some other method to prevent it from entering their armor and killing them. Which could also be taken as being protected from its corruption. This is an interesting thought: we (at least I) have been focusing on mental/psychic corruption...but if Inache is right here, and we're talking about a purely physical corruption - not a warp/mutation/tentacle thing but the body tearing itself apart...maybe they did need something extra to ensure they 1. didn't die outright and 2. were able to do what nobody else could hope to do anyway and fix the problem. Their minds and spirits are proof against corruption, but short of their warded armor and Astartes genetic mods, they' only a bit more proof against physical damage than your better armed Space Marines. Since some versions of the Bloodtide flat out ignore PA, maybe this otherwise heinous and desperate move was their only recourse. Interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 It's been my belief that the intent was not to protect against the corruption of the Grey Knights themselves, but rather to ward their armor and weapons from the bloodtide, especially since that's exactly what they do with the blood. There have been two mentions of a bloodtide in the fluff. One a sentient nano-virus from before the age of strife, and the other our mention. It's possible that the bloodtide from our codex is simply a daemon-corrupted version of the other. Which makes sense because that's exactly what was being attempted with the other. And since the other one was capable of entering even sealed power armor and causing a Space Marine to die from massive hemorrhaging, it stands to reason that they needed some other method to prevent it from entering their armor and killing them. Which could also be taken as being protected from its corruption. Certainly an interesting theory, and it would make a lot more sense . . . but I am not sure there is enough information given in this case to justify such a theory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Makes little sense sadly, when you take into account the SoB 'resisting the corruption' without any form of mystic blood bathing. If it was a physical breech of thier sealed power armour, they'd all have died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Caption Contest time! 4. Mat Ward: 'For if she could learn to love him before the last petal fell, then the spell would be broken, and he would transform back into an Ultramarine . . . if not, he was doomed to remain a Grey Knight . . . for all time.' Amazing! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Let me reiterate that there are two kinds of corruption we're talking about here, as if they are one. (They are not one.) Sisters and Knights both are trained to resist corruption of the mind. You can't train somebody to resist corruption of the body which is what this Bloodtide thing is about. It gets on you and makes your skin explodify. When it comes down to it, the Knights have to take the demon(s) out, know their armors, wards, and space marine bodies aren't proof enough against the tide, and have a theory on how to make themselves proof against the tide. The Sisters, when it comes down to it, are willing but uninformed and - frankly - not nearly as well equipped as the Knights to deal with the issue at hand. While we may find the whole "Knights smearing Sister blood all over themselves" thing offensive and ridiculous, the inverse is exponentially worse. ;) It was a matter of math as far as the Knights were concerned; an act of desperation. "Okay, we need to stop these things. We are ill-equipped and reinforcements are a long way out. A sacrifice - i.e. killing the Sisters and wielding their holy blood - can in fact overpower this entity's own mastery over blood and get us through this." A matter of math. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Ward's fluff in most cases...but this one case isn't as bad as I think it was made out to be (even by me), given Inache's thoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Can't we all just get along? http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/199/4/5/the_sacred_rose_by_celeng-d57pms2.jpg It's Warhammer 40k universe.... no one seems to just get along..... :D Anyway truly nice image... I believe that's the true power of creativity: we can make an universe like 40k a little better.... even though in just a brief image.... I getting too philosophical, I suspect.... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259320-sisters-capable-of-shrouding-gk-with-their-blood/page/2/#findComment-3156895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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