khurdur Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Does a flyer count against the 50% limit for reserving units? because it is compulsory.... Eg, a necrons army with 3 doomscythes and 4-5 nightscythes, all flyers, all reserving...is it legal? my stormravens tend to force my assault squads to footslog with their JPs and not deepstrike.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordenkenain Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Flyers do not count for the 50% on table/50% reserves, they are removed from the equation before percentages are calculated In the example you gave (the french breakfast), although the formation is legal, they must take a non-flyer unit as you are not permitted to start the game with 0 units on the table unless you're daemons and, in the example of storm ravens and assault squads, the stormravens should not prevent the assault squads going in reserve, and if you do run out of reserves space, ram them in the stormravens and take them out of the equation completely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3154291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Only dedicated transports can force a unit into reserve and remove it from the 50/50 pool. Putting a unit in a slot-taking transport doesn't take it out of the equation. As far as I know you're within you rights to start the game with nothing on the table (drop pod list, for example) but if a turn ends when you have nothing down, you lose. So a drop pod list is ok, since half arrive T1 and most likely something will survive, but pure french breakfast can't arrive from reserves until T2, so you'd lose at the end of T1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3154311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordenkenain Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Thanks for the corrections, I didn't look too closely into how to use the french breakfast 'cos a friend has a small battalion of hydras, therefore it would be suicide. I missed that only dedicated transports take the contents out of the equation, oops... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3154419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Haha, good old IG, seemingly the only army properly equipped for 6th. Its a fragile tactic, but if you can set something on the table as a placeholder for two turns, half a dozen flyers is going to be more than most forces can handle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3154472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMek83 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Haha, good old IG, seemingly the only army properly equipped for 6th. Its a fragile tactic, but if you can set something on the table as a placeholder for two turns, half a dozen flyers is going to be more than most forces can handle. Especially if they're all Vendetta's... I agree with IG part. That amount flamers, plasma, melta they can spam with veterans and special weapons teams and sheer amount of autocannons they can spam with heavy weapon teams, squads in platoons, amount of scoring troops, vehicle squadrons. IG is currently only army that is made for 6th edition and can threat flyers without quadguns and other special skyfire weapons and such if they have enough autocannons. If IG gets flakk missiles with their new codex for their missile launchers, it means marines pretty much can retire their storm talons, unless storm talons / stormravens or flyers comming can be squaded like in IG codex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3154814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 don't tell me about IG. Plasma spam, vendetta spam and 3 leman russes and marbo all rolled up into 1750 and he calls it an army...."shudders" But the fact that flyers don't take up a slot is useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259335-flyers-reserveslimit/#findComment-3155027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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