Grimtooth Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 We have these two instances of primarchs exhibiting a very powerful ability. In Russ' case, he emits this psychic howl that was powerful enough to kill some psykers on the bird planet and jumble the brains of more then a few Thousand Sons on Prospero. Magnus pretty much Ryu's an Eldar Titan in A Thousand Sons. However, I cannot recall any other instances of any other Legion's primarchs exhibiting such a display of power. Even when Fulgrim was battling Ferrus, neither one unleashed anything spectacularly unique to their traits, with Fulgrim really only killing Ferrus with his hand guided by the demonblade. Are their any other specific primarch abilities that have been displayed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Corax fogging minds, rendering himself invisible. Curze displaying minor case of telekinesis and heavily biased but accurate foresight. Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. Lion putting up a psychic forcefield. Sanguinius' foresight and imbuing his weapon with psychic flame. Alpharius' inconspicuousness. (might not be psychic) Also haven't read the book but Curze seems to mentally possess the crows hence prince of crows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 Corax fogging minds, rendering himself invisible.Curze displaying minor case of telekinesis and heavily biased but accurate foresight. Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. Lion putting up a psychic forcefield. Sanguinius' foresight and imbuing his weapon with psychic flame. Alpharius' inconspicuousness. (might not be psychic) Is this something that has actually been documented in canon or newer BL canon? I have only heard of Sanguinous gift of some foresight, but remember no outstanding displays of power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 So you cannot actually cite anything, but instead are pulling from Lexicanum or some other fan created source? You yourself admit to not reading the novel yet but then surmise that Corax has some control over crows. However that is not what I asked in the original post. I was asking for displays of power akin to Russ' psychic howl and Magnus' fire punch that killed a Eldar warlord and you give me bird whispering? Seriously, just stop replying if you are just going to ramble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
overloard Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think i read somwhere title "prince of crows" refers to Sevatar, not Curze. Anyway, I think all primarch are either psychers or have latent psychic abilities, but theese abilities may not be neccesary meant to inflict damage and hence not looking so impressive, like Corax invisibility seeming not as cool as Russ' howl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisisJimmy Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Lorgar's increased psychic ability was raised in Aurelian where he shocks Magnus with his new found, but wild power. Reference is made towards Corax's ability to conceal himself in Deliverance Lost when he is able to be not seen even when a guard is looking straight at him. Those are the 2 that I am 100% on, I have heard of Curze's ability of foresight, but I can't give you an exact source for that, and Alpharius/Omegon's ability to hide amongst their Legion is pretty obvious if you've managed to read Legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Lorgar is quite the psychic bad ass in "Arelian". Edit: Jimmy beat me to it :huh: As for Curze's foresight it is mentioned in the A D-B's NL books (Talos inherits it) as well as in "The Dark King" and "The lightning tower". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 So you cannot actually cite anything, but instead are pulling from Lexicanum or some other fan created source? Unlike alot of what I see on here, there are actual sources for most of what Billuriye posted (he even gave you a very broad indication of where to look). Your snarky reply only serves to illustrate your own ignorance. In an effort to remedy that shortcoming... Corax fogging minds, rendering himself invisible. Raven's Flight (audio) and Deliverance Lost. Curze displaying minor case of telekinesis and heavily biased but accurate foresight. The Dark King. Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. Most notably in Aurelian. Lion putting up a psychic forcefield. The Lion novella in The Primarchs. Sanguinius' foresight and imbuing his weapon with psychic flame. His prescience is well established in the background, but both are mentioned in Fear to Tread. You yourself admit to not reading the novel yet but then surmise that Corax has some control over crows. Billuriye mentioned Curze (Night Haunter) not Corax, if you're going to needlessly belittle his post you could at least try to get your facts right. Seriously, just stop replying if you are just going to ramble. [turnabout]Seriously, don't bother replying to people if you are just going to display your own ignorance.[/turnabout] Because as the saying goes, its fair play... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Corax fogging minds, rendering himself invisible. Raven's Flight Curze displaying minor case of telekinesis and heavily biased but accurate foresight. Dunno about the TK but he definitely has foresight. Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. TFH and Aurelian Lion putting up a psychic forcefield. no idea Sanguinius' foresight and imbuing his weapon with psychic flame. His sword does light up in flame, and I don't recall it being a force sword, just the sister sword to Horus's sword. It's very likely that Sanguinius powered it up with his mind. (Fear to Tread) Alpharius' inconspicuousness. (might not be psychic) I'm pretty sure it isn't a psychic power. Most likely it's just Alpharius being sneaky. Also haven't read the book but Curze seems to mentally possess the crows hence prince of crows. Haven't read Prince of Crows either, but that seems to be an extraordinarily useless power, as only Terra (might) have crows, unless there are SPESS CROWS. edit. 3 minute ninjaed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Guilliman is shown monitoring and registering the data stream of an entire planet's logistical endeavours in 'Know No Fear'. And he can count the number of spilled tootpicks in like a heartbeat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 In Fulgrim, Vulkan does manage to casually shrug off a plasma blast that wipes out his bodyguards, and Fulgrim's pretty face is also stronger than terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I've deleted commentary and posts which were 100 percent useless and inflammatory. Please post politely and nicely or not at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Atticus Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Guilliman is shown monitoring and registering the data stream of an entire planet's logistical endeavours in 'Know No Fear'. And he can count the number of spilled tootpicks in like a heartbeat. :yes: Althouhh RG didn't show it in KNF he along with Horus and a few others are generally considered to be miles ahead of other comparitive military leaders when it comes to tactics etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It's not a psychic ability, but Ferrus can produce items with exceptional powers just using his hands -- no spells or chants, no delicate circuitry or power sources, no need to use a hammer. In Fulgrim, he is shown re-forging the Fireblade (a blade that can burst into flames at a thought from its wielder) just be holding it. Seems pretty special to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Oh, doesn't Ferrus Manus use some strange power in his hands to destroy Fulgrim's blade in Fulgrim? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. And Luke was a terrible Jedi five minutes after he got given a lightsaber, but we don't judge him on that. Lorgar has now displayed much, much stronger psychic mastery in three releases since then: Aurelian, The Butcher's Nails, and arguably Know No Fear. Also haven't read the book but Curze seems to mentally possess the crows hence prince of crows. Haven't read Prince of Crows either, but that seems to be an extraordinarily useless power, as only Terra (might) have crows, unless there are SPESS CROWS. Sevatar is the Prince of Crows. And the power in the novella is nothing like that. Give me a little credit. Even calling it "the power" is lame and misses the point. Only on the internet will you find such a poignant and sickening scene reduced to "LOL THIS SUCKS ON TABLETOP" and such wild disinformation. God bless us all, and forgive those of us who try to bring depth to 40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Lorgar being poor man's Magnus. Most notably in Aurelian. You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
overloard Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. No, because it's not a case of one person having 10 in a stat and another having 9, or both simply having 10. Nuance. Subtlety. Degrees. I'll honestly never understand how some readers' minds work. Take every scene, and every moment, as it's presented. Don't go book by book saying "Character X is definitely Y." Yes, Lorgar was "weaker" than the other primarchs in The First Heretic. It's a narrative arc. Character development. People (and therefore, realistic characters) change over time. They get wounded, and worse at what they were good at. They grow stronger in some areas. A few instances of Lorgar's newfound strength in Aurelian doesn't mean he's now "stronger" than Magnus or his "equal", and nor does it mean he's "weaker". It means exactly what the text says in that scene. It means Magnus said "Damn, you got good at this" and the exact details are in doubt. No more, no less. Judging an entire character's potential and personal ability on that is madness, so it always amazes me when people extrapolate five minutes of a character's screentime to mean everything about what that character is capable of - such as in the freaking ghastly "My primarch can beat your primarch" arguments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. Well, at least we have virtual confirmation that Lorgar would have beaten Guilliman at Calth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. Well, at least we have virtual confirmation that Lorgar would have beaten Guilliman at Calth. A daemonic vision certainly seems to show that, yep. I dreamed I was an AT-AT driver the other day. I hope that comes true, as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. Well, at least we have virtual confirmation that Lorgar would have beaten Guilliman at Calth. A daemonic vision certainly seems to show that, yep. I dreamed I was an AT-AT driver the other day. I hope that comes true, as well. I speak of Kor Phaeron taking out Guilliman in three hits and then having Guilliman at his mercy. Lorgar is logically stronger than Kor Phaeron, yes? IIRC, I recall him saying something about his Primarch surpassing him in the novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I dreamed I was an AT-AT driver the other day. I hope that comes true, as well. I have an AT-AT for sale, you can trust me I'm a Nigerian Prince fallen on hard times? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You confuse me, sir. Which part of Aurelian? Is it the part where Lorgar's psychic anger reaches Magnus halfway across the galaxy? Or the part where Magnus talks about how strong Lorgar has grown? Or the part where Lorgar and Magnus are the only primarchs to psychically see that Fulgrim is possessed? Or the part where Lorgar's psychic power threatens Magnus's manifestation? Or the part where Lorgar threatens Magnus not to pry into his thoughts again, and Magnus backs down and complies? Was it those parts of Aurelian that convinced you he was a "poor man's Magnus"? Hello. I don't want to sound provocative or offensive, but it is something that bugged me since i first read spoilers from Aurelian: does this mean Lorgar is Magnus' equal now? A guy who first activated his powers few days ago vs a guy who supposed to be ultimate psyker and studied warp for over two centuries? Not sure I like it, though of course author knows best. Well, at least we have virtual confirmation that Lorgar would have beaten Guilliman at Calth. A daemonic vision certainly seems to show that, yep. I dreamed I was an AT-AT driver the other day. I hope that comes true, as well. I speak of Kor Phaeron taking out Guilliman in three hits and then having Guilliman at his mercy. Lorgar is logically stronger than Kor Phaeron, yes? Wait. Does this mean I will get to drive an AT-AT, or not? Do you go through films like Se7en and argue over who has a better Ballistic Skill, John Doe or Detective David Mills? And who would win in a gunfight? I mean, the cop has way more experience, right? So the cop will always, always, always win, right? No cop has ever been killed by someone with way less experience than them, no? No cop has ever been shot and/or killed in those circumstances, right? Just like the US Army, who've marched an overwhelming occupation force into Iraq, lost no one to the unarmoured, ill-equipped insurgents who were vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastly outnumbered and outgunned, no? This is exactly what you're doing, man. It's exactly what's so freaking worthless in these discussions. Context. Subtext. Circumstance. The moment itself, not a gamer's guess at Power Levels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkana Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 A lot of the old IAs for the Legions mentioned their Primarch's super powers. Curze's foresight comes from there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259541-russ-psychic-howlmagnus-fire-punch/#findComment-3157852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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