Mantras Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Guilliman convinces Sanguinous that it must be the Ultras that attempt to preserve the Emperor's vision by NOT rushing to defend Terra. Thing is, there is nothing going on on Terra for another five years. Rushing to Terra would not accomplish anything. There are five more years of galactic civil war coming before Horus will besiege Terra. But maybe Guilliman's plan is to hold everything back until the traitors arrive at Terra, I dunno. Except no-one knew it would be 5 years, given the poor levels of communications, for all RG knew they could have already been there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 yea, we readers know that there will be five years of war...the characters know little to nothing right now. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlak Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 There are a number of other intrigueing elements to this part of Fear To Tread, and also Shadows of Treachery. SIGNIFICANT SPOILERS FOR FEAR TO TREAD AND SHADOWS OF TREACHERY FOLLOW: In Fear to Tread, at the conclusion of the Signus Cluster conflict, the Blood Angels make for Terra but find the Warp extremely hard going, with "ethereal hyperstorms...fogging their course and battering the Geller fields protecting their ships." There was talk of interference with the Astronomican "Then there was the matter of the Astronomican. The guiding beacon...had become indistinct. A spatial disturbance of magnitudes not recorded since the Age of Strife rippled in the void, robbing the Navigators of their certainty" Now, one can assume this disturbance is probably the effect of the Wrod Beaers conjurations on Calth perhaps. When the Blood Angels exit the warp, low and behold, they're in Ultrama met by Roboute and the Ultramarines. When they exit the warp, and questioning whats happened, Sanguinius states "This is something different, I can feel it. The storms, the fading of the signal from the Astronomican. It's all connected' He fell silent, musing. 'I told the Navigators to strike for the strongest telepathic signal.' The Angel glanced at Kano. 'What if that was not my father's beacon on Terra?" This is all very interesting in itself, but even more so if you've read Crimson Fist in the anthology Shadows of Treachery. I have been fortunate enough to read this, and the few Imperial Fists that break out from the Phall system conflict, detailed in that story, also make for the strongest psychic beacon they can see, and there is again suggestion this is not the Astronomican. Its not explicitly stated as it is in Fear to Tread, but guess where it is implied they arrive? :P I would quote the relevant passages, but I don't have it with me here at work. So the question to me shouldn't just be 'How do the BA get to Terra and the Ultramarines not?' (interesting as it is, we don't have the info to work that out yet most likely, as stated by others) but also perhaps 'What is this second, Astronomican like beacon in the Ultramar region?' We now potentially have virtually all the Blood Angels AND a sizable portion of the Imperial Fists in Ultramar... This is presumably part of a narrative plan by the mighty team of authors (author league perhaps?) - what could need that buildup of loyal forces to face down? What is Guilliman beginning? etc etc. And this is why we all love the Horus Heresy series! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Maybe his plan is less complex, maybe his sole intention is to be the Hammer (along with Russ), to the Anvil of Terra, infact the chance of that is what pushes Horus into his "Final Gambit" isn't it? Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 yea, we readers know that there will be five years of war...the characters know little to nothing right now. To anticipate how a galaxy wide civil war would progress you would have to be some kind of strategic mastermind... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 yea, we readers know that there will be five years of war...the characters know little to nothing right now. To anticipate how a galaxy wide civil war would progress you would have to be some kind of strategic mastermind... your right, and Guilliman's POWER OF LOGISTICS is what is going to save the empire here...from Ultramar. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 yea, we readers know that there will be five years of war...the characters know little to nothing right now. To anticipate how a galaxy wide civil war would progress you would have to be some kind of strategic mastermind... your right, and Guilliman's POWER OF LOGISTICS is what is going to save the empire here...from Ultramar. WLK Couldn't have said it better myself. Logistics Guilliman should have just sent a single astropathic memo to horus whenrn he caught wind of the heresy, +LOGISTICS+ and the matter would have been put to rest. Guess the heresy really was Rob's fault after all. Edit: logistics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 This topic is off topic, as I think all rational minds could see coming. In summary there is not a shred of information which gives us an answer, since there are simply too many variables. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259615-guilliman-sanguinius-and-the-heresy/page/3/#findComment-3162391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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