Marshal Traben Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Already got my copy by mail. I read it already, the new stories were very entertaining. From Prince of Crows, it now turns out that Sevatar is a psyker, he reorganizes the the legion into six grand companies that will assault Terra and orders the rest to wreak havoc across the imperium. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Interesting info for the black templars. I think me means the beat about Sevetars past bout with Sigismund which was a 30 year draw until Sevetar got bored, head-butted Sigismund and was disqualified. Leaving Sigismund as the greatest non Primarch warrior in the Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Actually, thinking of Sigismund getting smacked down by his primarch for putting his own needs over that of the Imperium... and effectively disowning him in private, but not publicly to avoid morale problems. The bigger irony of course being that the fleet master who ended up in charge did a better job then Sigismund could have, and would have owned the iron warriors in the fleet action if Dorn had not screwed up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Angel Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Actually, thinking of Sigismund getting smacked down by his primarch for putting his own needs over that of the Imperium... and effectively disowning him in private, but not publicly to avoid morale problems. The bigger irony of course being that the fleet master who ended up in charge did a better job then Sigismund could have, and would have owned the iron warriors in the fleet action if Dorn had not screwed up How did Dorn screw up? He didn't know that the Imperial Fist fleet was in a battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 No discretion in the order. If he had granted a little more leeway, the fists could have pick off a chaos primarch, and avoided brutal losses on a significant chunk of the legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 No discretion in the order. If he had granted a little more leeway, the fists could have pick off a chaos primarch, and avoided brutal losses on a significant chunk of the legion. I don't necessarily think it was just the order to return to made him order the retreat, though. The Navigator reported that the order was accompanied by a temporary hole opening in the warp storms keeping them stuck in the Phall System. So his two choices were 1. break off, suffer disastrous losses, but make it home to Terra as ordered, or 2. keep fighting, probably defeat the Iron Warriors, maybe kill a Primarch, and still be stuck in Phall with no way to leave and no way to communicate with the outside galaxy. Personally, I'd have chosen the path of sacrifice and stayed to kill Perturabo, and suffer the anger of Dorn and Malcador a few years down the road, but I wasn't there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I wasn't a massive fan of the depiction of Sigismund, he was meant to be the perfect knight, not a coward looking for glory. Still the way his wrath at the concept of heresy burns hot and clean was very good to read, I wonder which chapter will take that characteristic and turn it up to 11 over the next 10,000 years? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think the point of Sigismund's story isn't that he was a coward, but that he was so attached to Dorn, and utterly convinced they were going down fighting, that he choose to die with his lord rather then alone. Adds a nice layer of complexity to a cookie cutter character. Because he was so perfect of a knight, the one decision he took for personal reasons destroyed his relationship with his lord, and fueled his anger and crusading spirit. Sigismund could be a Dark Angels Marine... Ironically, since the Iron Warriors were prepared to destroy his command, his choice was better then staying. Dorn's decision to recall at any cost took a minor to major win for the Fists into a rout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Dorn appears to be a bit bullheaded to me on certain things, he certainly doesn't like psykers very much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Dorn appears to be a bit bullheaded to me on certain things, he certainly doesn't like psykers very much. According to "Fear to Tread", he had all the psykers in his Legion imprisoned. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snickers Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 he certainly doesn't like psykers very much. Lol all I can think is who does at this point in the heresy?? I don't know if I like the fact that Sevator is a psyker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 According to "Fear to Tread", he had all the psykers in his Legion imprisoned. WLK That he did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 And considering Sigismund is Dorns right hand I think we can all guess who did the imprisoning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think that they will have to free them sometime in the near future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 I bought the ebook solely for the Sevatar story. It's the only one I bothered reading. I dont get why the dark angels would take nightlords prisoner though. This in my mind I couldn't explain. The dark angels aren't really merciful chaps. To me seemed like an excuse for Sev and some of the guys from the first Co to survive. All in all though it was a pretty good story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 It is mighty peculiar, as to why the Dark Angels would bother to take Night Lords as prisoners. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 It's probably not that hard to work out; why are any prisoners taken in war? Those reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 To possibly gather intelligence from them and to punish them, i assume. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 If the Lion is loyal, they can be delivered to the emperor as proof of loyalty. If disloyal, they can be freed as an apology to Horus. If on the fence, it keeps your options open. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3174983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's probably not that hard to work out; why are any prisoners taken in war? Those reasons. Could it also be that we're seeing the leanings of the DA towards Interrogators-Chaplains? I know that Interrogator-Chaplains exist to deal specifically with the Fallen, but a kind of precursor to them could be the DA taking prisoners in some kind of attempt to get repentence out of them, as well as information. Or maybe less getting them to repent, more a curiosity over why they rebelled. If handled well and subtly, it could be an interesting nod towards what the Dark Angels would become in later years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3175323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 If the Lion is loyal, they can be delivered to the emperor as proof of loyalty. If disloyal, they can be freed as an apology to Horus. If on the fence, it keeps your options open. Whats with the ifs? :P We already have ample evidence showing that the first case is true, i.e. The Lion is loyal ; the second case, The Lion being disloyal , is patently false; and the third case, The Lion being a fence sitter , is the nothing more than the fabrication/self-delusions of a confirmed Traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3175369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The Lion has his own agenda, that was made clear in 'The Lion' He's Loyal to The Emperor, but I wouldn't say he's a 'good guy' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3175511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No one in 40k is a good guy. You just have your choice between ultimate evil, and a monolithic theocratic government that uses people as ants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3175589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 inclined to disagree there, I think during the heresy there were groups more 'good' than others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3175723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thus the 40k qualifier. 30k is another kettle of fish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259626-shadows-of-treachery/page/2/#findComment-3176216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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