WG Vrox Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I am looking to add 2 WG units in TDA coming in via DP. Load out would take advantage of our 33point standard WG in TDA with the free Power Axe. Only 235 points for the following unit including Drop Pod. Seems like a pretty good unit considering its cost and damage potential. Your thoughts? 2X SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe /Melta Bomb Assault Cannon / Power Axe Drop Pod Thanks Vrox. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Fell Hand Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I love the idea. So simple yet could have some great power and definitely will draw attention from the main army. I'm a huge fan of that tactic. Thanks for posting it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3158495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I'd suggest swapping out at least one/two of the Axes for a Sword, as then you've got some nice AP3 that strikes on I - this will help a lot if you don't want them to simply get swamped by a mob of lesser enemies - as they're all I1 if you fail those saves (unlikely I know) then you'll die before striking back at all and lose that lot, plus the Swords will allow you to take out a few in the first place (extremely useful if you want to challenge a Nob with Klaw as he'll only have 4+ SV and will die without causing your other guys any worries) other'n that it's a useful unit and not too pricey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3158516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrafnkel Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I am looking to add 2 WG units in TDA coming in via DP. Load out would take advantage of our 33point standard WG in TDA with the free Power Axe. Only 235 points for the following unit including Drop Pod. Seems like a pretty good unit considering its cost and damage potential. Your thoughts? 2X SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe SB/Power Axe /Melta Bomb Assault Cannon / Power Axe Drop Pod Thanks Vrox. I suggest bringing maybe 2 additional combi-meltas. The way I load my own WG out, I have 3 combimeltas and a set of meltabombs. Between them, they took out a land raider and a furioso, before dying to a charge of a squad of assault marines. That's two expensive units, I made the points back easily. Brother 92's suggestion is apt, you definitely want to be able to attack on Initiative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3158552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Law of averages will have you losing that squad before they even get to attack against just about any other attack squad. Unless you play against GKs and tda-wings a lot, I can't imagine needing so many AP2 weapons. I agree with RB92 in swapping out for swords, but personally I'd go with a ratio of 2/3s having swords/mauls and only sacrifice 1/3 of the pack's initiative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3158772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastHuzzah Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I agree with RB92 & Wulfebane. A bit about the Nob power klaw: Remember that Nobs have 2 wounds...1 TDAWG with a power sword (3 A assuming charge/countercharge) probably won't take him down before he gets to punch you (without serious number crunching: assume 2 hits 1 wound). I would consider a pair of wolf claws or WC/PF rather than the Power sword/SB. WC/PF is where it's at but some people might not like the look of it. I will say that I made a character out of the GH box with the braided beard & eye with the right handed wolf claw and PF from the box, and he look ready to tear it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 The idea behind the pack is to keep it cheap as well having the able to take out anything it comes across. I do understand the points being made about initiative though. I think I am going with the following as a nice compromise. 245 points including DP. I will of course magnetize to get the most out of my options in case I do want to add a few Wolf Claws. WC/PF is where it's at but some people might not like the look of it. Interesting, so you would get 3 attacks due to both weapons being specialist weapons. Can you designate 1 attack with WC and 2 attacks with PF? I could not find the rule on this in the book. SB/P Axe CM/P Axe CM/P Sword SB/P Sword Assault Cannon / P Axe Drop Pod Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Interesting, so you would get 3 attacks due to both weapons being specialist weapons. Can you designate 1 attack with WC and 2 attacks with PF? I could not find the rule on this in the book. No, unlike Logan (where he's able to choose with 2 Frost Axe and 2 Power Fist) each round of combat, iirc. we can only choose between which one to use (either 3 WC or 3 PF attacks), although I believe we could change them after each round of combat - so you could go for the WC first to kill the Nob and then either the WC or Fist as you wish. I'll try to find the specifics in the BRB for you :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethzor Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Isnt it Frost Blade or Power Fist for Logans axe? I realize it is an Axe but the rules state Frost Blade.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Isnt it Frost Blade or Power Fist for Logans axe? I realize it is an Axe but the rules state Frost Blade.... that because it's pre-6th Edition where a Frost Sword and Frost Axe had the same characteristics, whereas now as it has to be WYSIWYG so it would be a Frost Axe (although due to codex overiding BRB you can use it as a sword). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 Isnt it Frost Blade or Power Fist for Logans axe? I realize it is an Axe but the rules state Frost Blade.... I hope they address this in a FAQ, what is the point of having the option if they both swing at INT 1, 2x the strength vs. +2 str and both at AP 2. I realize this is getting off topic, but I think the topic is answered at this point, so let's just dive off shall we. I did not see in the FAQ where it addresses our wolf claws, I assume they are like lightning claws and have AP3 and keep the TYPE: Melee, Shred, Specialist Weapon. But this is not specifically covered anywhere I could find. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Isnt it Frost Blade or Power Fist for Logans axe? I realize it is an Axe but the rules state Frost Blade.... that because it's pre-6th Edition where a Frost Sword and Frost Axe had the same characteristics, whereas now as it has to be WYSIWYG so it would be a Frost Axe (although due to codex overiding BRB you can use it as a sword). Nope, The Axe Morkai may be used as a Frost Blade or, if logan wields it with both hands, a power fist. Page 57 - Space Wolves Wargear, Frost Blade or Frost AxeReplace the last sentence with the following profiles: Range Str AP Type Frost Blade - +1 3 Melee Logan's Axe can be used as a Frsot Blade or a Power Fist, and the FAQ gives a specific profile for a Frost Blade - S+1/AP3/Melee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 @dswan - thanks :) I did put underneath that I wasn't sure but it didn't show up :( stupid internets :/ at least that's cleared up :D tis just as well considering I've just started painting up both Logan and Arjac in prep for my loganwing haha makes a ton more sense - does it state whether normal guys carrying two weapons (say claw and fist) can use both in the same way as logan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3159581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 makes a ton more sense - does it state whether normal guys carrying two weapons (say claw and fist) can use both in the same way as logan? The way specialist weapon works is if your other weapon is not a specialist weapon you dont get +1 attack... nowhere in the rules does it mention anything about the same type of specialist weapon. Since these weapons are usually the more expensive options its probly thought to already balance out the advantage of choosing wich type of attack youll be using. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3160890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted August 29, 2012 Author Share Posted August 29, 2012 makes a ton more sense - does it state whether normal guys carrying two weapons (say claw and fist) can use both in the same way as logan? The way specialist weapon works is if your other weapon is not a specialist weapon you dont get +1 attack... nowhere in the rules does it mention anything about the same type of specialist weapon. Since these weapons are usually the more expensive options its probly thought to already balance out the advantage of choosing wich type of attack youll be using. Agree with that. I however have been unable to find a rule on splitting your attacks such as 2 with WC and 1 with PF. I really like the idea TheLastHuzzah mentioned about the WC/PF load-out. If you going to build a challenger type TDA WG, for 15 points it's a well balanced model. I can see the advantage of having one of those in a pack. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3161234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah, I never would have considered it before... but now? Sure. Personally I run my DPing TDA packs at around 255-270pts, and I think the extra rhinos worth of investment is worth it. .... also, I didnt have enough swords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3161534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah, I never would have considered it before... but now? Sure. Personally I run my DPing TDA packs at around 255-270pts, and I think the extra rhinos worth of investment is worth it. .... also, I didnt have enough swords. *snicker* You DP your TDAs? :) Mwaha... Sorry. Excuse an immature blood claw not keen on 40k acronyms... *walks out of the topic whistling* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3161584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Yeah, I never would have considered it before... but now? Sure. Personally I run my DPing TDA packs at around 255-270pts, and I think the extra rhinos worth of investment is worth it. .... also, I didnt have enough swords. *snicker* You DP your TDAs? :P Mwaha... Sorry. Excuse an immature blood claw not keen on 40k acronyms... *walks out of the topic whistling* Sorry, Im not very good with non-nerd/kitchen acronyms so I dont get the joke ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3161665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Sorry, Im not very good with non-nerd/kitchen acronyms so I dont get the joke ;) Google it if you wish - but don't hold me responsible ;) OT - I'd love to see a logan modeled with a claymore (two handed sword wielded primarily by scots/picts during 1700s-early 1900s). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3162456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Sorry, Im not very good with non-nerd/kitchen acronyms so I dont get the joke ;) Google it if you wish - but don't hold me responsible ;) Yeah, what he said :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/259630-considering-adding-two-wg-units-to-my-army/#findComment-3162581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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