Will the Alpha Legion ever fail?

[sponsra]

I´ve reached the point in Fear to Tread where BA and AL are fighting orks, and the AL are superiour as usual. If they´re so great, why didn´t the Emp make all his Legions like them. This is getting silly... Anyone has examples from the HH books where the AL doesn't kick every ones *** without even being noticed doing it?

[Sublime Heresy]

Well, I guess "Legion" when they utterly fail to stop the planet exploding/dying/whatever.

 

But otherwise, not really as yet. Then again, you could say much the same about the Wolves too, among others. Read "The Crimson Fist" and try telling me the Fists don't get the same treatment :)

[Sublime Heresy]

Would just like to add that they aren't made better/differently...it's purely a case of training and tactics being different, which the Emperor had nothing to do with. Every Legion excels in one way or another, it's just that so far the Alpha Legion have only been seen fighting on their terms.

 

I suspect if they were forced to do an Iron Warriors style siege or a direct, World Eaters style assault, they'd look a lot less special. They are just good at avoiding those situations.

[amaze07]

Well Said sponsra!!I was actually going to start a thread asking is anyone getting kinda annoyed the way the alpha legion always have the upper hand,

like in The Serpent Beneath

when they manage to beat the white scars

that really kinda annoyed me,they are a cool legion but I think there kinda starting to become the unbeatable legion at this stage!!

[Lord_Caerolion]

Would just like to add that they aren't made better/differently...it's purely a case of training and tactics being different, which the Emperor had nothing to do with. Every Legion excels in one way or another, it's just that so far the Alpha Legion have only been seen fighting on their terms.

 

I suspect if they were forced to do an Iron Warriors style siege or a direct, World Eaters style assault, they'd look a lot less special. They are just good at avoiding those situations.

 

That's the thing though, the Alpha Legion are written in such a way that you never can force them into such a situation, because they've already replaced half your commanding officers with operatives, and have half the native population under their sway.

[Sublime Heresy]

Valid point. I still don't really see them as being any worse than the Space Wolves in this regard, but I can definitely agree they need a good slapping to make things a bit more equal!

[Brother Captain Kezef]

I think Legion was a good way of showing the Alpha legion's flaws. They won the battles but lost the war.

 

The Alpha legion are the SAS/Navy seals of the Astartes, they are bloody good at what they do on the scale they do it on.

[Legatus]

In 2nd and 3rd Edition the Alpha Legion was described as a very disciplined force that would press the enemy with continuous and relentless attacks from various angles. The Index Astartes article also described how they promoted chaos cults all over the Imperium, and that they used "operatives" to maintain contact to those cult (you can't just send guys in 8 foot chaos armour around). But they were still a force of power armoured warriors that would boltgun down their opposition in a "traditional" way, just with the attacking from multiple angles thing.

But at some point, that "operatives" thing somehow got out of hand, and was suddenly applied as meaning those operatives would be used to plant agents in any high ranked position. They would not just infiltrate planets (as chaos cults do), they would infiltrate other Chapters and even Legions. Suddenly this became the Alpha Legion's main MO, and they are now more of an inteligence agency than a fighting force of power armoured warriors. The Alpha Legion now does not juts have a specific way of fighting, it is now all about what they do behind the scenes. Previously the Alpha Legion merely had hidden bases all over the Imperium, and was promoting chaos cults. They were still a CHaos Space Marine fighting force. Now they have a spy network with operatives in almost every place. Do they even still fight in the traditional way?

[Trevak Dal]

Obviously they fail. In Deliverance Lost it shows how a de-centralization of command structure and fluidity can work against them (Too many "Alphariuss" and not enough guys in charge...) And more over (spoilers?) They didn't succeed in preventing the ten thousand years of entropic decline of the Imperium by helping Horus succeed. I like them, I like their color scheme in the rulebook, but there just isn't enough "there" for me to justify making an army (or unit even) after them.

 

I don't want to go off on a rant here, but I don't want an army of "Alpharius", that's dumb as hell. Thing I hate most about them though is their name. The Alpha Legion. I picture a bunch of dude-bros with popped collars that all look and dress the same intentionally, "Yo, we're the alphas, Dawg, A-Team in the house Bro!"

 

I'd like to know more about what the Alpha Legion was like before their Tool-bar Tzeentch loving Primarchs were found and put in charge, like what their name was, how they fought. Instead it's all "mysterious" so it's like we have 3 missing legions instead of 2.

[Gree]

In 2nd and 3rd Edition the Alpha Legion was described as a very disciplined force that would press the enemy with continuous and relentless attacks from various angles. The Index Astartes article also described how they promoted chaos cults all over the Imperium, and that they used "operatives" to maintain contact to those cult (you can't just send guys in 8 foot chaos armour around). But they were still a force of power armoured warriors that would boltgun down their opposition in a "traditional" way, just with the attacking from multiple angles thing.

But at some point, that "operatives" thing somehow got out of hand, and was suddenly applied as meaning those operatives would be used to plant agents in any high ranked position. They would not just infiltrate planets (as chaos cults do), they would infiltrate other Chapters and even Legions. Suddenly this became the Alpha Legion's main MO, and they are now more of an inteligence agency than a fighting force of power armoured warriors. The Alpha Legion now does not juts have a specific way of fighting, it is now all about what they do behind the scenes. Previously the Alpha Legion merely had hidden bases all over the Imperium, and was promoting chaos cults. They were still a CHaos Space Marine fighting force. Now they have a spy network with operatives in almost every place. Do they even still fight in the traditional way?

 

They do, In Legion itself. They still do deploy power armored Astartes and fight conventionally.

[A D-B]

The topic is a bit of a bugbear of mine over the course of the series.

[Xin Ceithan]

I quite like the idea of the Alpha legion being more of an SAS type legion. I hope we won`t be seeing too much traitors turning out to be alpha legion operatives though. It lessens the drama and is a b-movie type plot move at best.An operation like the one in Delivarance Lost should be an exceptional feat even for the Alpha Legion ( It required the presence of a primarch after all), not a common day feature. ( Also IMO the operatives in DL did a couple of things that seemed incredible unlikely and unprofessional for such a vaunted task IMO- so it`d be a bit more in touch with them being more special forces than actual spies).

I´d also find it much more in line with their sneakiness to make it appear to have spies and operatives in every legion. Having the other legions look for operatives that aren`t really there wastes a lot of time and energy and keeps them looking in all the wrong places. Having to find, equip and train them and put them in place is a much more difficult.. Let alone keeping them in line. It´s all smoke and mirrors,after all.

As it has been said: How many mines does it take to make a minefield? ------ None. Just a press release^^

[RapatoR]

I think AL never losing a battle is an exaggeration that is created in readers heads. I mean it in non offensive way and I will explain it:

 

The Serpent Beneath: Beating white scars bikers? There were three WS bikers surprised by AL squad, what is exceptional about that? I would be much more surprised if whole squad would be incapable of beating three men. AL delaying WS? That was already described in Collected Visions, so no news here. TSB already shows that Al is beatable:

When Tenebrae station is destroyed, Omegon tells Alpharius it was probably Sigillite or Dark Angels and Alpharius is not surprised. Also noone from Squad Sigma is not surprised when they find out about leak. Noone shouts: "This is impossibru! AL is unbeatable!" So this things probably happened in the past. Whole short story shows huge flaw of AL: they are not trusting each other.

 

 

 

Deliverance Lost: AL failed at their primary objective (destruction of RG) and their secondary objective nearly failed too (stealing of the geneseed template). Out of huge number of infiltrated Astartes, only Omegon made it alive. That is no exception accomplishment when you consider how much advantages AL had back then.

 

Legion: AL is shown being manipulated by Cabal, their centre of operations in one Nurthrene city is compromised after they get John Grammaticus, then they find out that their biggest secret (Alpharius and Omegon being primarchs) then whole legion is almost wiped out and looses planet to Chaos and are saved only by interfering Cabal. Nuff said.

 

Now here I present parts of the AL timeline from The Serpent's Lair forum that can be interpreted as defeats. If you check whole timeline you will find out, that these guys gets beaten in almost half of official mentions and sometimes are described as mere punching bags or very stupid cartoonish bad guys. Now I seriously doubt that ANY other Legion's timeline consists of such number of defeats.

 

So please give AL a break. Just because they are recently described as actually accomplishing something and not as punching bags of Imperium does not mean they are invincible.

 

 

M32

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In a proclamation by the High Lords of Terra the last splinters of the Legion are declared eradicated.

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Sources

US WD #276/UK WD #277: Index Astartes - Alpha Legion by Graham Davey

Reprinted in: Index Astartes IV

 

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M33

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The Legion is officially declared eradicated for the second time.

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Sources

US WD #276/UK WD #277: Index Astartes - Alpha Legion by Graham Davey

Reprinted in: Index Astartes IV

 

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343.M37

The first Assault on Cephian IV

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The Alpha Legion's plans on Cephian IV are foiled when the Black Templars defeat the corrupted warrior cults among the natives. The Legionnaires disappear but prepare for a return.

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Sources

UK WD #311: Assault on Cephian IV, battle scenario by Graham McNeill

 

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361.M37

The Defense of Cobalt Valley

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The forces of Orik the Vile invade the Mihok system, located some thirty light years from Cadia, and clash with the Imperial Guard on Mihok Secundus. The Guard succeeds in defending Cobalt Valley from the Alpha Legion in a series of gruelling battles.

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Sources

US WD #240: Glorious battles of the Imperial Guard (pt. 2) by Gavin Thorpe

Lexicanum link

 

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M39

The Purge of Arthas Moloch

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Arthas Moloch, an "artefact world" that harbours the ruins of a pre-human civilization as well as a whole nation of cultists and mutants under the reign of the Alpha Legion is finally cleansed by the Emperor's Scythes chapter.

The Inquisition believes in a possible connection between Arthas Moloch and the sudden disloyalty of Tau Commander Farsight during the Damocles Crusade.

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Sources

US WD #288

WebArchive link to uk.games-workshop.com

 

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M39

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The Legion is officially declared eradicated for the third time.

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Sources

US WD #276/UK WD #277: Index Astartes - Alpha Legion by Graham Davey

Reprinted in: Index Astartes IV

 

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Before 740.M41 *

The Tartarus Campaign

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In order to seize the daemon artefact "Maledictum" undisturbed from the Inquisition and the Eldar, the Alpha Legion orchestrates an Ork Waaagh on Tartarus, an altar world of Khorne.

Despite having both the Orks and an approaching Warpstorm to their disadvantage, the Blood Ravens 3rd Company manages to pursue and defeat the wire-puller, Chaos Sorcerer Sindri Myr, after his ascension to daemonhood.

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Sources

Dawn of War, RTS game

Dawn of War, by C.S. Goto

The Dawn Of War Omnibus, revised collection of the first three DoW novels.

 

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Before 740.M41 *

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The Alpha Legion engages Ultramarines and Blood Ravens on Lorn V.

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Sources

Dawn of War: Tempest, by C.S. Goto

The Dawn Of War Omnibus, revised collection of the first three DoW novels.

 

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After 740.M41 *

The Kaurava Conflict

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The Alpha Legion shows up in the wake of a sudden Warpstorm over Kaurava IV and wipes out the 253rd and 254th Conservitor Regiments of the Imperial Guard in a single blow.

Khorne Lord Firaeveus Carron plans to make the Warpstorm persistent and let it engulf the entire star system.

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Sources

Dawn of War: Soulstorm, RTS game

* date taken from Dawn of War: Dark Crusade

 

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812-813.M41

The Luxor Uprising

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In the Departmento Munitorum-dominated Helioret Sector, the cruel ruling Oligarchs of the industrial world of Luxor are overthrown by a workers uprising backed by the Alpha Legion. Several of the Legion's warbands make planetfall and launch surprise attacks to support the revolt.

The planet itself is vital to the wider supply of war materials to the northern Segmentum Ultima. The Novamarines Chapter fears that Luxor's fall could start a chain reaction that might leave a hundred other worlds vulnerable. Without the time to wait for reinforcements, the Novamarines gather what forces they can and attack immediately before the renegades manage to crush all local resistance and become entrenched.

The loyalist Marines manage to take out the untrained rebels, and then cut off the Alpha Legion from the rest of the rebel forces, leaving them leaderless. A heavy Terminator-led attack strikes the deathblow and finishes the encircled Legionnaires, putting the few survivors to flight.

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Sources

Imperial Armour IX: The Badab War I, p.119

 

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820.M41

The Siege of Vraks (7th year of the siege & onwards)

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The warband of Arkos the Faithless emerges from the Eye of Terror and joins the Vraksian rebels in battle against the Death Korps. He plans the arrival of allied warbands, hoping to bring the entire Scarus Sector to its knees.

The Dark Angels under Chaptermaster Azrael (who suspects Arkos of possessing information about the Fallen) fail to capture him.[1]

In a dark ritual, Arkos' sorcerers call his allies from the forces of Nurgle and Khorne to the besieged planet. Ten warbands and other outlaws arrive and claim orbital control.[2]

In the following years, Arkos directs the siege from the shadows until Lord Zhufor of the Skulltakers takes direct command. When the siege draws to a close, with the imperial forces breaking through, Arkos and 14 of his men are captured alive by the Angels of Absolution Chapter. Thus, the Angels of Absolution complete the task of the Dark Angels. The rest of Arkos' warband is presumed destroyed.[3]

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Sources

[1]Imperial Armour V: The Siege of Vraks I, p.47, pp.54-58

[2]Imperial Armour VI: The Siege of Vraks II, pp.6-13, p.26

[3]Imperial Armour VII: The Siege of Vraks III, pp.17/18, pp.79-84, p.140

 

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859.M41

Assault on Zoran

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The White Scars have send their "Master of the Hunt", Kor'Sarro Khan after Daemon Prince Kernax Voldorius.

On the icy world of Zoran, the forces of Voldorius take a half-buried Imperator Titan as their base and cause an uprising. The Marines of the Blood Angels try to regain control of the planet but fail to drive the Legionnaires from their base. Only the arrival of Kor'Sarro Khan and his White Scars helps them turn the tide. Voldorius manages to escape while almost all of his followers are killed.

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Sources

5th Edition Codex Blood Angels, p.15

 

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865.M41

The Purge of Modanna

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The White Scars' hunt for Voldorius continues. On the battlefields of Modanna, Voldorius is forced to leave the furthest fortress in order to escape his pursuers.

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Sources

5th Edition Codex Space Marines, p.49

 

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871.M41

The Liberation of Quintus

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The forces of Kernax Voldorius take control of Quintus and fight against elements of the Raven Guard under Captain Shrike and the White Scars under Kor'sarro Khan. The Space Marines penetrate the defences of the planetary capital and slay the Daemon Prince in a bloody showdown. Kor'Sarro Khan claims his skull and adds it to the numerous severed heads that decorate the passage to the White Scars' Fortress Monastery.

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Sources

5th Edition Codex Space Marines, pp.42/43

Hunt for Voldorius by Andy Hoare

 

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Incidents with no given date:

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???

The Fall of Medusa V

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When the Warpstorm known as Van Grothe's Rapidity envelops Medusa V, the planet becomes a warzone for all major factions of the galaxy. The forces of Chaos are led by one of Abaddons Chosen, the sorcerer Ygethmor. His host includes four Black Legion companies and allies from other Legions and renegades. The Alpha Legion lends its strength by sending spies to the hives of Medusa V which stir rebellion before the initial assault.

In the end however, Ygethmor is defeated.

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Sources

The Fall of Medusa V (booklet), p.17

 

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???

The Invasion of Thagra IV

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The Legion invades Thagra IV and tries to turn the mutated labor population against the local authority. With the incursion of the White Panthers Chapter the Alpha Legion retreats, leaving their former allies at the mercy of the Astartes.

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Sources

Inquisitor Rulebook

Downloadable .pdf can be found here under "Inq Rulebook part2 .pdf"

.pdf-page 25 of 45: Rules and background for the mutant Quovandius

Lexicanum link

 

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???

The Invasion of Thagra IV

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The Legion invades Thagra IV and tries to turn the mutated labor population against the local authority. With the incursion of the White Panthers Chapter the Alpha Legion retreats, leaving their former allies at the mercy of the Astartes.

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Sources

Inquisitor Rulebook

Downloadable .pdf can be found here under "Inq Rulebook part2 .pdf"

.pdf-page 25 of 45: Rules and background for the mutant Quovandius

Lexicanum link

[sponsra]

What's a bugbear?

[A D-B]

What's a bugbear?

 

"A bugbear is a legendary creature or type of hobgoblin comparable to the bogeyman, bogey, bugaboo, and other creatures of folklore, all of which were historically used in some cultures to frighten disobedient children.[1] Its name is derived from a Middle English word "bugge" (a frightening thing), or perhaps the old Welsh word bwg (evil spirit or goblin), [2] or old Scots "bogill" (goblin), and has cognates in German "bögge" or "böggel-mann" (goblin), and most probably also English "bugaboo" and "bogey-man". In medieval England, the Bugbear was depicted as a creepy bear that lurked in the woods to scare children; it was described in this manner in an English translation of a 1565 Italian play The Buggbear.[2]

In a modern context, the term bugbear serves as a metaphor for something which is annoying or irritating.[1] It may also mean "pet peeve".[3]" -- Wikipedia.

[Ubermensch Commander]

I have an issue with them as portrayed since Legion.

As Legatus pointed out, there whole thing was stressing flexibility and eschewing doctrine, while pressing with organized assaults from multiple fronts. Alpharius is recorded as allowing an enemy to entrench just to get more of a challenge out of the fight.

 

Alpha Legion turned BECAUSE THEY COULD. No excuses, no whimpering how Daddy didn't cater to their psychoses, the Alpha Legion turned simply because they were the least invested in the Emperor, held closer ties to Horus, and wanted to challenge themselves against the baddest forces out there; other Space Marines.

Now we have a mind whammy from an alien race and an entire Legion chosen for their ability to "think for themselves!" BLINDLY following along wholesale. *sigh*

 

 

Not to mention, in order to make their convoluted and ridiculous plans work, they have to make the other Legion look like fools or utterly incompetent through various Horus Heresy novels they appear in. This is not a matter of "outwitting" so much as holding up a sign saying "I AM A BUSH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" and having other Legionnaires continue on as though nothing is amiss.

Deliverance Lost was particularly egregious, but there are at least two other (now older) thread detailing those issues. Suffice it to say, the width and breath of their infiltration raises eyebrows, , due in part that they were the LAST Legion with Alpharius found late in the Crusade to say nothing of other issues.

 

@A-D-B

Ah, excellent! I sincerely hope you are able to excise that particular bugbear in the near future, good sir.

[Billuriye]

What's the problem? It's not like they accomplish anything.

 

Now we have a mind whammy from an alien race and an entire Legion chosen for their ability to "think for themselves!" BLINDLY following along wholesale. *sigh*

 

Who said they were blindly following it? They are just clever enough to not dismiss it as a mere fabrication.

[RapatoR]

Not to mention, in order to make their convoluted and ridiculous plans work, they have to make the other Legion look like fools or utterly incompetent through various Horus Heresy novels they appear in. This is not a matter of "outwitting" so much as holding up a sign saying "I AM A BUSH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" and having other Legionnaires continue on as though nothing is amiss.

Deliverance Lost was particularly egregious, but there are at least two other (now older) thread detailing those issues. Suffice it to say, the width and breath of their infiltration raises eyebrows, , due in part that they were the LAST Legion with Alpharius found late in the Crusade to say nothing of other issues.

There was any other HH novel except Deliverance Lost where they infiltrated another Legion?

[Xin Ceithan]

Naw. B ut they are becoming the HH equivalent of catch all conspiracy theories.

" Oh look, that must be an alpha legion opartive disguising as XXXX ( put current interest here"

They failed because the AL set them up....

Wondering how long before someone blames the battle of Calth on them. " They would never defeat Papa Smurf- he must have been an AL imposter!"

Sigh

[RapatoR]

Naw. B ut they are becoming the HH equivalent of catch all conspiracy theories.

" Oh look, that must be an alpha legion opartive disguising as XXXX ( put current interest here"

They failed because the AL set them up....

Wondering how long before someone blames the battle of Calth on them. " They would never defeat Papa Smurf- he must have been an AL imposter!"

Sigh

Agreed. But in my opinion, this is result of exaggeration, not HH novels.

 

I will explain myself: An example from The Fist Heretic (since we have A D-B commenting here): Almost immediately after release people claimed that Corax was soundly beaten by Curse, while only thing that happened was that Curse blocked single blow.

[Ubermensch Commander]

Not to mention, in order to make their convoluted and ridiculous plans work, they have to make the other Legion look like fools or utterly incompetent through various Horus Heresy novels they appear in. This is not a matter of "outwitting" so much as holding up a sign saying "I AM A BUSH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" and having other Legionnaires continue on as though nothing is amiss.

Deliverance Lost was particularly egregious, but there are at least two other (now older) thread detailing those issues. Suffice it to say, the width and breath of their infiltration raises eyebrows, , due in part that they were the LAST Legion with Alpharius found late in the Crusade to say nothing of other issues.

There was any other HH novel except Deliverance Lost where they infiltrated another Legion?

 

One of the short stories in which one of the World Eaters (I believe) Lieutenants shoots a belligerent commander in the face to allow Raven Guard to skeedaddle off into the night while the Lieutenants face shifts and warps into an Alpha Legionnaire.

 

@Billuriye

The two(something else that was completely unnecessary and adds nothing given how 40K turns out) Primarchs take action as though they whole heartedly believe the Cabal of lying Xenos filth.

More to the point: The Alpha Legion as whole fights against the Emperor unto the 41st millennium without being told the whole picture. They simply obey their Primarch(s). This directly violates the nonsense plot developments and statements presented in Legion.

 

Alpha Legion is being given too much bloody credit for event in the Heresy and its rather tedious. Example: Corax and his desperate bid to reinforce his Legion. a tale of desperate actions, terrible consequences, and the cost of making reparations.

No need for Alpha Legionnaires there, much less how no one thought to question battle brothers forgetting basic battle cant, tactics, everything that makes a Legion a Legion. It takes away from the events when Alpha Legion Operatives are shoehorned in.

[Xin Ceithan]

Totally in agreement here about

 

(a) the whole whining being done around some issues ASCRIBED to AL and not being DESCRIBED in the novels

 

and

 

(;) the whole infiltration thing needing to be used sparingly, if ever.

 

 

Oh and the AL FAILED in the endgame if the -direction- from LEGION was their endgame- the 41st millenium is not what the whole joining Horus thing was thought to achieve..( if the AL wern`t used as pawns..blabla..)

 

Kinf of like the idea of the AL being the boogieman of 40k though^^

[Gydeon]

Sorry to hijack the direction of the thread;

 

..holding up a sign saying "I AM A BUSH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" and having other Legionnaires continue on as though nothing is amiss...

 

When I start my Alpha Legion army, I think I will have to have one of my Alpha legionnaries holding a bush with a sign saying exactly that.

[Xin Ceithan]

must resist

caffeine rush...warp flow rising...can`t .....

.....

DING...

 

this just in via IFRITSEEKER:

Upcoming chaos sodex has following upgrade for AL themed armies

 

ALPHA OPERATIVE -50 PTs

replace any one enemy model. Gets FNP and RELENTLESS. 2++. If model survives te game and your opponent looses the game he may blame it on the Alpha Legion.

 

 

AL Lord IC gains THEY ARE ALL AROUND US ----500 PTS

Roll a d6. On the turn indicated by the number rolled ALL REMAINING ENEMY MODELS reveal they are actually Alpha Legion operatives. AL wins, Every 40K player present must shout "I am Alpharius" and cackle diabolically. Ensure you have alternative way of getting home.

 

so..HYDRA DOMINATUS!

[RapatoR]

One of the short stories in which one of the World Eaters (I believe) Lieutenants shoots a belligerent commander in the face to allow Raven Guard to skeedaddle off into the night while the Lieutenants face shifts and warps into an Alpha Legionnaire

Ah I remember now. IMHO this scene was unnecessary (what would single WE ship do against bunch of RG ships?). I believe this scene was tailored just to show that next novel will be about RG being infiltrated by AL.

 

But again, we should take into consideration that this single view of one author. I do not want to degrade his accomplishments but we could already see that not everybody in BL (and I can bet that in GW either) is in agreement with this point of view.

 

Totally in agreement here about

 

(a) the whole whining being done around some issues ASCRIBED to AL and not being DESCRIBED in the novels

 

and

 

(B) the whole infiltration thing needing to be used sparingly, if ever.

 

 

Oh and the AL FAILED in the endgame if the -direction- from LEGION was their endgame- the 41st millenium is not what the whole joining Horus thing was thought to achieve..( if the AL wern`t used as pawns..blabla..)

 

Kinf of like the idea of the AL being the boogieman of 40k though^^

Agreed. My concern about AL is not that they are "Legion of Mary Sues", but I have some trouble that they are show as "Legion of infiltrators" and not enough as "Legion of excellent and intelligent warriors" (I believe Lexington already said it and better :D ), although I am happy that Rob Sanders showed them in another light. (Though some people will probably disagree with me, but I will gladly explain myself.)

 

And concerning A D-B's responses, I can say only one thing: "Please Aaron, pretty please, let it be you who will write about Alpha Legion getting beaten snot out of them." :)