Converting Dark Vengeance models into Ultramarines

[Ideaus]

Anyone going to be converting there DV models into ultramarines, I've been thing the bike SGT would make a good libby on bike with a little GS, and the other two bike I've been thinking of coverting them into a bike mounted command squad.

 

will post pic if i do

[NuclearMessiah]

I don't feel it is worth the time to shave and file off all the DA iconography, I mean it is a good deal price wise if you just price the SM half of the army

 

1x Captain ($22.25)

1 x Librarian ($26.00)

5 x Terminator ($50.00)

10 x Marines ($37.25)

3 x Bikes ($45.00)

 

I don't have to add that all up to say your getting a good deal for some Dark Angels and Chaos Marines for $99.

 

 

Best of luck and I look forward to the pics.

[Olis]

I don't feel it is worth the time to shave and file off all the DA iconography, I mean it is a good deal price wise if you just price the SM half of the army

 

1x Captain ($22.25)

1 x Librarian ($26.00)

5 x Terminator ($50.00)

10 x Marines ($37.25)

3 x Bikes ($45.00)

 

I don't have to add that all up to say your getting a good deal for some Dark Angels and Chaos Marines for $99.

 

 

Best of luck and I look forward to the pics.

 

Even better - if you're willing, you can trade the chaos marines for more DA. Quite the steal, for an army that size, imho. :)

[ShinyRhino]

I don't feel it is worth the time to shave and file off all the DA iconography, I mean it is a good deal price wise if you just price the SM half of the army

 

Same here. The time and effort spent shavingoff all the swords and angel wings, without leaving the model a butchered wreck, doesn't feel like it's worth it.

[Forza St. Pauli]

Because the new box is a real deal, I've thought about buying one, but in second thought it is too much money for a non DA/CSM player. IMO it's to time-consuming to convert the models and because you have limited conversion possibilities, not worth the effort.

[UltraRich]

Ive just bought the libby for a conversion I'll write that process up if you want pics? and Ive my eye on the terminator Deathwing squad

For them Id lop off the right pad and swap it out for some spare FW Ultra pads I have. The only reason I havent done this yet is the vast amounts of stuff I still have to paint (including some converted SH termies.)

[Cptn. Palladorus]

If I convert mine it'll be into Angels of Absolution to run either as true allies or just more C:SM marines. I've always had a soft spot for them.

 

UltraRich, can't wait to see that conversion report. I've wanted to convert a Librarian in almost that exact pose for my UMs for ages now.

[The Emperor's Champion]

As I declared long before this set got confirmed, this is the STUPIDEST starter set they've ever made.

The models are brilliant, but they're only good for Dark Angels or Chaos players.

 

Generic Marines can be used by all of the various Codex Space Marine Chapters, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templar, Dark Angels, Chaos Marines, and MAYBE even Grey Knights if you're clever about it.

 

And then they can include an alien army to promote the lesser-played races of 40k.

 

 

This box....nope. No aliens. No Codex Marines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Black Templar, or Grey Knights.

They took all of the possibilities inherent in including basic Marines and forced people to have two specific ones of those.

 

 

The ONLY way to get around this stupid limitation is to put in waaaaaay too much effort filing and converting.

 

 

 

I may end up getting a Dark Vengeance set IF I convince myself that those Chaos Marines are cool enough for me to own them just to own them, But all the work converting that set for use in any of my existing Marine armies is just out of the question.

 

 

 

/grumble

[Shaun Carlin]

@The Emperor's Champion: You totally get my feelings on the matter perfectly, I got the box set for collection reasons and the models all look amazing but I feel it isnt a good move to limit the market of a starter set by making the models inside chapter specific.

I don't mind about no aliens Chaos is a good choice I feel.

 

Converting these I don't believe would be worth the insane hassle of certain miniatures (any character really)

[Cptn. Palladorus]

I know it doesn't help you TEC but it's a great set if you're a Chaos player since you can paint the DA models as Fallen.

[Gaius Atticus]

You also have to remember this is a starter set, so it's more about getting new players into the game rather than getting cheap army additions for existing players.

[walpurgisnacht]

You can always ally the Dark Angels to your current ultramarine force.

[The Emperor's Champion]

You also have to remember this is a starter set, so it's more about getting new players into the game rather than getting cheap army additions for existing players.

Exactly. And that makes it MASSIVELY more useless.

"Want to play 40k? You should get a starter set. It's a great way to learn 40k! What's that? What are your options for starting armies? Uh... Well, you don't have any... What's that you say? You don't like cross-dressing Marines or evil Marines, but you kinda like the viking ones or those aliens? Sorry, we don't have a starter set for that."

 

You can always ally the Dark Angels to your current ultramarine force.

Never.

 

My Ultramarines aren't taking the field with traitors.

 

That's what Dark Vengeance is. A box of traitors.

 

 

Converting them to be loyalist Fallen and using THOSE alongside my Ultramarines is the best suggestion I've heard for the Dark Angel minis.

[Purge]

I'm really interested in hearing about anyone who attempts to convert them to Ultramarines. I was thinking the samething, to take the icons off and make them ultramarines because of the cheaper cost. But how?

Anyone who attempts, please keep track of your progress and post.

thanks!

[Lord Ragnarok]

Could we cut down on the hyperbole and get on with the topic? :D

[Azekai]

Converting them to be loyalist Fallen and using THOSE alongside my Ultramarines is the best suggestion I've heard for the Dark Angel minis.

That actually sounds quite awesome.

[JeffJedi]

Oh come now, Brothers!

 

It's really quite easy to remove a few icons here and there. Have you no files? Have you no knives? I've removed the standard Tactical Arrow from the Black Reach set plenty of times to make the extra bolter Devastators.

 

Furthermore, you could even remove the whole upper body of the marine to use just the legs. As legs are the rarest part of a marine you can use them with all your spare parts to make more.

 

But what you do get is a unique set of bolter marine poses, most easily seen from the side view. The legs are shifted differently and the weapons are held away from their bodies more.

[CovertToaster]

I agree with JeffJedi.

 

It's not hard to file down the DA symbol on the shoulder pad and if you are handy with green stuff you may be able to green stuff right over the top. It's a bit difficult to green stuff an omega on there and leave no trace of the sword and wings but since I play deathwing and don't need tacticals I was converting the DV and AoBR marines to nurgle anyway.

 

The extra work shouldn't be such an issue either as I've totalled up the points of the models as equipped and you are looking at around 1400 points if you can convert them all into one army. I still consider buying the set and converting the models cheaper than buying the seperate boxes which you don't need to convert.

[Xenith]

File off the DA symbols. Paint them blue.

 

Not trying something because someone on the internet told you because they thought they might find it difficult means you'll never get anything done in life.

[Ideaus]

I have removed all DA shoulder markings from all the models in the box set, I have left some of the feather and trimed a few swords, but the total time with a scapel, file and a dremmel its has taken me about 40min to complete.

here a few pics so far

here is the libby from the set i removed his chest symbol, it looks ruff but that is where i used the dremel to clean out the robe groves, butit is quit smooth so want be seen whenpaited.

I am currently coverting the capt to be a libby as well.

I will be using FW etched brass symbol to put the omega signs on all the models as well.

sorry for the picture quailty but I take better ones of the capt.

[Adeptus-Alaska]

I agree, I intend to use them as DA for one set, the other are gonna be marines errant.

[Kem]

That's what Dark Vengeance is. A box of traitors.

 

Imperium secundus? :( blue-boys are loyal? pff... :)

 

 

DV set:

Converting is not hard at all, if your got arms, not nippers.

[Toxichobbit]

That's what Dark Vengeance is. A box of traitors.

 

Imperium secundus? :lol: blue-boys are loyal? pff... :)

 

It's spelt "Ultramar" and yes, as demonstrated during the last 10,000 years, they are. I'm sure you already knew that though. Either give evidence proving they aren't loyal or stop baiting people.

[doorgunner77]

For what it's worth, I actually found it wasn't that hard to convert the models in the starter set. A little mind numbing, yes, especially with the very samey tac squad. (Sidebar: Does anyone else think the tac squad sculpts decreased in quality from the ones in Black Reach?) Here is a gallery of my terminators, the two regular bikers, the first eight tac squad guys, and the librarian. (There's some random icons that I missed the first time through, they've since been filed off) I had the same idea as Idaeus to make the Ravenwing sergeant a librarian; next time I'm home from Uni I'll bring my ravenwing sprue up and build him a proper torso.

 

But yeah, it's really not that hard. Just a lot of shaving, filing, and gap filling. Liquid greenstuff was brilliantly helpful.

[The Emperor's Champion]

That's what Dark Vengeance is. A box of traitors.

 

Imperium secundus? B) blue-boys are loyal? pff... :cuss

 

It's spelt "Ultramar" and yes, as demonstrated during the last 10,000 years, they are. I'm sure you already knew that though. Either give evidence proving they aren't loyal or stop baiting people.

Either he is a troll, or he knows not of what he speaks. I'd say there's no need to assume the worst. The Ultramarines and their history is full of a lot of...nuance...that escapes a lot of people who haven't read tons and tons about them.

 

Basically, the only safe assumption when you see something "suspicious" in Ultramarines fluff, is that you should interpret it in the most "good-intentioned" way that you possibly can. Time and time again that has proven to be the case.

 

"Imperium Secundus" was Guilliman's acknowledgement that the Imperium of the Great Crusade was broken, falling apart, and would not survive as it was. Thus, someone needed to fix it by creating a new version.

Unable to communicate with The Emperor and the rest of the Imperium, Guilliman took it upon himself to make this new version, and in doing so he acknowledged to himself that what he was writing was heresy - going against the format of the Imperium Of Mankind as it was envisioned and set up by his father, but he knew that all that he and his brothers had been fighting for so long to achieve for The Emperor and for humanity, would be lost if he didn't do it.

Heresy? Technically.

Necessary? Absolutely.

 

 

The Imperium was lost. Everything he knew told him so, and this betrayal was the one thing that would save the dream at its heart from extinction.

The body of the Imperium was dying, but the ideals of its foundation could live on.

His father would understand that, even if others would not.

Roboute Guilliman wrote two words at the top of the right-hand page: words of treachery, words of salvation.

Words to herald a new beginning.

Imperial Secundus.

 

 

The Ultramarines have never been traitors. They're simply the ones so loyal to the cause that they never lose sight of it and assume that there isn't a better approach to reaching their goals.

You can see that with the modern Ultramarines AT A GENETIC LEVEL, compared to other Chapters. Where other Chapters have gotten so caught up in the Marine creation rituals of creating Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or whatever, the Ultramarines have kept a tight track of "these are the things that HAVE TO be done to make a proper Space Marine" without obscuring it all under a ton of arcane rituals. So nowadays the Ultramarines have the purest and fully-functioning geneseed, while the Blood Angels are becoming more vampiric and starting to die off, and the Space Wolves have more and more lupine features as time goes by.

Without Guilliman's Primarch mind to actively guide them, the Ultramarines have clung fiercely to the ways that his Codex has instructed of them (kind of insane to question a demigod's wisdom as long as it doesn't seem flawed), but they've not been so blinded by their faith in him to have prepared for everything that they haven't helped the Codex to evolve over the last 10,000 years. They're even willing to reluctantly admit the impossibly rare occurrence of a situation where the Codex simply does not having sound advice, and then they carefully add to it and change it to meet new threats.

They constantly question the situation and search for the BEST solution, where others adhere to their "traditional" solutions (like the White Scars - BIKES FOR EVERY OCCASION!).

They never lose sight of the goal while focusing on the methods of reaching it.