Brother Captain Kezef Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 So, I was going over the 6th ed stuff and summat caught my eye. You only need one model with outflanking to grant the whole squad. So, a squad of 5 Thunderwolves with a battle leader with saga of the hunter. That's 6 outflanking thunderwolves of death. Anybody tried this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Only infantry models can take saga of the hunter. But even if you could you cannot assault from reserve so you would run on and get shot at close range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Mile Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 actually thunderwolf WGBL can take saga of the hunter, it states bikes and jump packs and power armor as only restrictions. Pg 85 under WGBL entry. Edit* problem is you cant assault the turn you come in... So you run out and say Rawr!, enemy turns entire armies guns on you and poof, you evaporate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 actually thunderwolf WGBL can take saga of the hunter, it states bikes and jump packs and power armor as only restrictions. Pg 85 under WGBL entry. Edit* problem is you cant assault the turn you come in... So you run out and say Rawr!, enemy turns entire armies guns on you and poof, you evaporate. You might actually want to read Saga of the Hunter in the Space Wolves Codex - "Infantry only" (C:SW, Pg.64). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Outflanking melee units in general is not useful in 6th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 you could roll it as a warlord trait...but it isnt useful in any real way. not in this edition. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You could always move on the side where there is cover from the enemy and hide until you have a chance to assault in the next turn though. So it isn't a bad idea to out flank that way with a footslogging IC and then say have a drop podding unit of GH there for him to join. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 You always attach khan. Now you can outflank and hit and run. Ton of points though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. This is one interpretation os the rules that any SW player should be absolutely ashamed to suggest as an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. This is one interpretation os the rules that any SW player should be absolutely ashamed to suggest as an option. no, it's not. on another note: can you really attach Khan? I thought it was only unnamed HQ that could be taken as allies... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. This is one interpretation os the rules that any SW player should be absolutely ashamed to suggest as an option. I don't see how. I view it as a general of Rome flanking with his horse-ridden cavalry elites, unleashing the "dogs of war" then staying behind to calculate strategies and interpreting enemy wheeling motions as he intercepts and joins his more tactical squads as they advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. This is one interpretation os the rules that any SW player should be absolutely ashamed to suggest as an option. no, it's not. on another note: can you really attach Khan? I thought it was only unnamed HQ that could be taken as allies... Since ICs can join any pack, you can attach a footslogging IC with SoH to a pack of TWC then detach after deployment, but as has been said, assaults from reserve ist tot. This is one interpretation os the rules that any SW player should be absolutely ashamed to suggest as an option. I don't see how. I view it as a general of Rome flanking with his horse-ridden cavalry elites, unleashing the "dogs of war" then staying behind to calculate strategies and interpreting enemy wheeling motions as he intercepts and joins his more tactical squads as they advance. Yes it is. We know that the rules tells us that an IC on a TWM can only join TWC or Fenrisian Wolves because anything else is asking for trouble. The FAQ then tells us that when it comes to the rules regarding special weapons and the Rending special rule we are to equate TWC and Canis with TWM. The rules intention is clear as day in this matter in regard to attempting to join a non-TWM IC to a unit of IC is asking for trouble because he is NOT mounted on a TWM. The varied responses along the lines of, "Well they are not joining the IC, HE is joining them" is a blatant dishonest interpretation of the intent of the rules akin to a cheating husband telling his wife, "I wasn't having sex with that hooker, SHE was having sex with me!" As far as trying to view it in the light of a Roman general flanking with his horse-ridden cavalry, two points to make, 1. The Ultramarine forum is --------->thataway 2. Horses do not tend to bite the heads off people not mounted on them ala the asking for trouble part of the rule. That is my main problem with individuals that flaunt the clear intent of the rule and the idea that it presents; If you are not mounted on a TWM/TWC/Fangir or are not a Fenrisian Wolf, you stand a good chance of being mauled by said TWM/TWC/Fangir. Play it as you will, but don't try to justify it while casually ignoring the intent and wording of the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 RAI =/= RAW. RAW is what is used. If GW wants it to be played that way, they should errata the Thunderwolf Cavalry entry in the codex to include the Wargear "Thunderwolf Mount" with between brackets "bonusses included in profile". as it stands now, TWC do not have Thunderwolf Mounts as wargear, thus do not have that ruling. No matter how much you bitch about it, it's not in the rules, so it's not true. that you don't use it, fine, your choise. I don't eighter (unless when playing vs annoying cheat-if-it-means-winning kinda guys.) Don't pretend to be the codex writer being pissed that people don't read your mistakes as you inteded them. You're not the codex writer, so you have no idea of what was intended, and even if you were the codex writer, you should learn to proofread your stuff. why would anyone be ashamed to suggest using the rules given in the codex??? They shouldn't. Period. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 RAI =/= RAW. RAW is what is used. If GW wants it to be played that way, they should errata the Thunderwolf Cavalry entry in the codex to include the Wargear "Thunderwolf Mount" with between brackets "bonusses included in profile". as it stands now, TWC do not have Thunderwolf Mounts as wargear, thus do not have that ruling. No matter how much you bitch about it, it's not in the rules, so it's not true. that you don't use it, fine, your choise. I don't eighter (unless when playing vs annoying cheat-if-it-means-winning kinda guys.) Don't pretend to be the codex writer being pissed that people don't read your mistakes as you inteded them. You're not the codex writer, so you have no idea of what was intended, and even if you were the codex writer, you should learn to proofread your stuff. why would anyone be ashamed to suggest using the rules given in the codex??? They shouldn't. Period. Because we KNOW that TWM joining anything other then TWC or Fenrisian Wolves is asking for trouble. Because we KNOW that the FAQ equates TWM to TWC to Fangir of the Canis entry. To willfully say that the very animal (TWM) that is forbidden from joining infantry, can suddenly be joined by infantry when said exact same animal takes on a different name (TWC/Fangir) when they all share the same set of rules, is willfully being ignorant of the intent AND fluff of the rule. However by all means show me how I am not arguing the RAW of the rule when I never made that case at all. As a SW player, you can still play competitively without having to resort to blatantly spit on the clear intent and fluff of the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3166957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 preach Brother Ramses, PREACH IT! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 preach Brother Ramses, PREACH IT! WLK Indeed. Playing a game by interpreting a typo is not the SW way. To the credit of 40kers in general, I don't think it's the way of most, except for the few who prefer power gaming/warped tourney play. Warped being my perception, they see it as the natural order. My solution to that, I just don't play with that crowd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Preach it Brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 My other sig is set-aside for the time being for the new cause! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 preach Brother Ramses, PREACH IT! WLK Indeed. Playing a game by interpreting a typo is not the SW way. To the credit of 40kers in general, I don't think it's the way of most, except for the few who prefer power gaming/warped tourney play. Warped being my perception, they see it as the natural order. My solution to that, I just don't play with that crowd. I dont see a typo. I see a Warlord whos tough enough to rip a fenrisian wolfs throat out with his bare hands- remember, thats what having a pair of wolfs with you means youve done- aught to be able to look into a fenrisian wolfs eyes and get a bit of respect. I also see a bunch of hot-heads debating the ethics of gaming on a forum when theyll never see each other in person. Players will play as they do, and unless theyre close enough to affect your games- wich usually means across the table- theres no reason for all this chest thumping and puppy-wrestling. Now, as for the rest of it: I dont think outflanking thunderwolves is generally a good idea do to their limited ranged abilities compared to their large assault abilities. Its like drop-podding bloodclaws: you can do it, but unless its purely for theme I wouldnt advise it. Keep them in the game from turn 1, know where you want them to go, and let their swift legs take them into the heart of the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 if your definition of hot-heads means have gaming (and social) standards that we wont cross over or start rules lawyering to win, than I am happy to be a "chest thumping and puppy-wrestling" hot-head. sides, it's pretty odd to be suprised at hot headed behaviour in the FANG of all places. you want cold methodical thinking, go join our sisters in the Rock. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Starting a fight over nothing makes one the smaller man. This isnt important enough to crusade about, on either side. RAI or RAW, thats personal preference- and always has been. If you dont want to play that way, then dont. If you do, then do. This isnt like the any of the older topics, where things like this could change the face of games. No assault out of outflank means that TWC used in this manner are a 300ish point squad of wolf scouts with less accuracy in deployment and less shooting ability when they get there. Get out of the drop pod and go back to table top training. The mission is aborted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260224-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-3167518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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