Loki-LaughingDeath Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...Id=prod1710018a While the initial excitement of seeing this counteracts the disappointment of having Dark Vengeance on indefinite hold I read along and what did my sad eyes behold "This pack contains Space Marine Sternguard Veteran Weapons - a finely detailed resin cast kit that comes in eight components. " Upon further viewing all the little flaws in the resin start sticking out, weird angles on barrels, the bending and air pockets. I hate to say this but another GW product with potential that has failed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Well, I'd only be interested in the heavy weapons anyway (which hardly makes it a purchase worthwhile) - the combi-weapons look a bit... pants (looking at you combi-plasma and combi-flamer) and the lightning claws are a mere recast (I already have the metal versions). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 What the hell kinda product is that? I know I have a blood feud against finecast, but that aside, even if this was metal, look at those claws and the sculpt. That's pretty half-assed for Citadel Miniatures. Don't buy it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 There are 2 things that have my attention, the Heavy Flamer and the Combi-Flamer, other than that yes I must agree with the assessment of PANTS!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonis Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Why on earth would you stick your combi weapon on top of your main barrel? That will seriously mess with your aim. Those sculpts look ugly and impractical. And would you look at those claws? Could they not straighten them out for their promotional photo which is meant to be there to sell this product to us? Those look like garbage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 What a terrible release. Lets hope beyond hope that they sort it out!! Would be interested in the Ragnar shoulder pads if they were in a better way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 There are 2 things that have my attention, the Heavy Flamer and the Combi-Flamer, other than that yes I must agree with the assessment of PANTS!! a power armor heavy flamer can be easily made from the teriminator heavy flamer bit. seriously. i havent tried a combi flamer, but will poke around. and this release looks like garbage WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 At first I was like "OOH! they said combi, maybe I will get some".... then I saw it and was like "EPIC GW FAIL!!!' Which seems to be their current trend. EDIT: As a fantasy player, I took a look there too. I have to say that GW did just kill the Bretonnians too. $41 for one Lord???? $124 for the Grail Knights????? Yup GW needs to stop. EDIT 2: I just noticed that my GW page was set to New Zealand, so the prices aren't Americana, but seeing as the prices did go up it is still crazy for a little played army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 What the hell kinda product is that? I know I have a blood feud against finecast, but that aside, even if this was metal, look at those claws and the sculpt. That's pretty half-assed for Citadel Miniatures. Don't buy it. I wouldn't use those if they were given to me free of charge... Those look like some of the crap we see from independent, out of the garage, internet, fly by night, modeling "companies".....geez GW what an epic fail.... ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Those look like some of the crap we see from independent, out of the garage, internet, fly by night, modeling "companies".....geez GW what an epic fail.... ~BtW Hah! And even some of those are better, I reckon. Just look at Chapterhouse and Puppetwars. Wonder who's gonna be the dumb sucker that buys that Sterngard weapons pack! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Those look like some of the crap we see from independent, out of the garage, internet, fly by night, modeling "companies".....geez GW what an epic fail.... ~BtW Hah! And even some of those are better, I reckon. Just look at Chapterhouse and Puppetwars. Wonder who's gonna be the dumb sucker that buys that Sterngard weapons pack! :( Wonder who the dumb sucker that is gonna lose his job for even approving them to paint and post pics of those "train wrecks" up on the GW website in the firstplace. LOL ~BtW and yeah you're right about CH and PW being way better than that crap... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider-75 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Seriously bad press to paint up DEFECTIVE product GW. The HF looks warped and those LC blades are soooo bent they could've taken 2 minutes to straighten them. To go from the awesomeness of the DV sculpts to this pile of plague bearers leavings is just... I'm lost for words. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 To go from the awesomeness of the DV sculpts to this pile of plague bearers leavings is just... I'm lost for words. Indeed. The contrast makes this so... unbelievable. Or shocking. The Chaos models in the DV box are hands down the best snap-fit models I have ever had the pleasure to lay eyes on. This Sternguard kit is 'meh' at best. Such a pity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Wow lots of resin here and I just don't get it. Frankly the Lightning Claws are simply recast pewter sculpts, I doubt the ones in the pictures are actually finecast, they look like pictures of the original claws sold as part of the MK 1 Veterans. As for the weapons, they're ok. Not the best but interesting enough, I particularly like the Heavy Bolter and if your not good at conversion the Heavy Flamer could be particularly useful. All told it is a nice little kit for customizing Sternguard and adding some different models of combi-weapons for a little difference here and there. Sure the prices have gone up but... so what? They have always done that, the pewter isn't and wasn't a whole lot cheaper and some products have actually gone down in Finecast, such as the Wraithguard. Not to mention I've found Finecast to be far more durable than traditional plastic, easy to work with and extremely light. It doesn't chip as much as pewter, weigh as much and it is far easier to cut, sculpt, drill and convert. When given the choice of more options for conversions or less you guys really want less? It is particularly disappointing to see so many negative comments thrown around. I first saw this kit detailed in this month's White Dwarf and frankly the pieces look fine. If you don't like them, don't buy them. As for Fantasy yes some of the kits like Grail Knights, Blood Knights and certain characters have gotten shockingly expensive, Azhag the Slaughterer tops out at a whopping $90. However Fantasy has also seen a ton of great plastic character kits such as the Savage Orc Big Boss, the Wight King, Captain of the Empire and so forth that are extremely detailed and fantastic kits, and to top it off are cheaper than traditional pewter or finecast character models. I was very happy to see these models come along and I've been looking forward to seeing 40k get similar models and at last we have, Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus is of the same design and is hopefully just the first of many such character models to come. All told I really see no reason for such negativity and pessimism. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Rabble Rabble Rabble anger. Screw it, I wouldn't go out and buy them, but I could make use of them, they'd just take a little cleaning up. Back to the OP though, to clarify, Dark Vengeance wasn't totally delayed, just the standard edition box, since GW hasn't gone through all the limited editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Wow lots of resin here and I just don't get it. Frankly the Lightning Claws are simply recast pewter sculpts, I doubt the ones in the pictures are actually finecast, they look like pictures of the original claws sold as part of the MK 1 Veterans. As for the weapons, they're ok. Not the best but interesting enough, I particularly like the Heavy Bolter and if your not good at conversion the Heavy Flamer could be particularly useful. All told it is a nice little kit for customizing Sternguard and adding some different models of combi-weapons for a little difference here and there. Sure the prices have gone up but... so what? They have always done that, the pewter isn't and wasn't a whole lot cheaper and some products have actually gone down in Finecast, such as the Wraithguard. Not to mention I've found Finecast to be far more durable than traditional plastic, easy to work with and extremely light. It doesn't chip as much as pewter, weigh as much and it is far easier to cut, sculpt, drill and convert. When given the choice of more options for conversions or less you guys really want less? It is particularly disappointing to see so many negative comments thrown around. I first saw this kit detailed in this month's White Dwarf and frankly the pieces look fine. If you don't like them, don't buy them. As for Fantasy yes some of the kits like Grail Knights, Blood Knights and certain characters have gotten shockingly expensive, Azhag the Slaughterer tops out at a whopping $90. However Fantasy has also seen a ton of great plastic character kits such as the Savage Orc Big Boss, the Wight King, Captain of the Empire and so forth that are extremely detailed and fantastic kits, and to top it off are cheaper than traditional pewter or finecast character models. I was very happy to see these models come along and I've been looking forward to seeing 40k get similar models and at last we have, Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus is of the same design and is hopefully just the first of many such character models to come. All told I really see no reason for such negativity and pessimism. :lol: The negativity and pessimism is because they honestly look like crap. I would hope it's just the ones they happened to have on hand and it was to late too get another set before they needed to be posted up. Although that doesn't explain the poor designs. They very well could be some old pewter ones recast, but they could have done resculpts and it would have been better to be honest. I would have loved to have an alternative to the FW combi weps as they are pricey but there is just no comparison between the two. So yeah, unless I see a better set then I certainly will not be buying these. GW has done many awesome models and new sculpts lately, including the models in the DV set, nobody is really disputing that. I am hoping that the new chaos goodies that are rumoured are going to be just as good, but if they post pics of the product that look as poor as the sterngaurd weps look.....smh Just not a smart move on GW's part. It's like advertising "Hey! Come check out our brand new car!" with a picture of a rusty dented jalopy.... ~BtW @Nrthstar I went to order a Limited edition last weekend and couldn't because it said they WERE sold out and no longer available....... Odd... and to be honest, if they weren't sold out I'll be quite pissed off! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 All told I really see no reason for such negativity and pessimism. -_- Oy, neither pessimism or negativity from me, my friend! I just say it as I see it. If it looks like crap, I say it looks like crap. If the price looks expensive, I say it's expensive. You like flaccid weapons for your marines, you go buy the flaccid weapons for your marines. If you paint it and post it asking for C&C and it still looks like that, I say you f***ed up! I am as my Space Wolves are: no bulls**t. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 @Nrthstar I went to order a Limited edition last weekend and couldn't because it said they WERE sold out and no longer available....... Odd... and to be honest, if they weren't sold out I'll be quite pissed off! Such a weird thing. Well the official statement put out to stores only affects the standard edition, and my friends were able to get their limited edition boxes. What does it mean?? If GW doesn't have any limiteds left, than why aren't they selling the standard?? Either way, my buddy brought his Chosen test model into work today. For a snapfit, it's pretty sick, and I got a little excited to get to see my wolves DECIMATE chaos once again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 On a tangent's tangent, Hey ever thinking they're gonna make us Wolves the poster boy for a starter set in the future? Kinda hope not, but I wouldn't mind having some limited Space Wolves plastics before they go OOP when another starter set comes out haha But anyways, excuse the OT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Excused. I would happily accept some special edition models, even if I'm not a huge fan of the "tightness" of the snapfits. (arms being directly connected to the bodies) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 There are 2 things that have my attention, the Heavy Flamer and the Combi-Flamer, other than that yes I must agree with the assessment of PANTS!! a power armor heavy flamer can be easily made from the teriminator heavy flamer bit. seriously. i havent tried a combi flamer, but will poke around. and this release looks like garbage WLK http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/Firestorm_Delta/DSCN0020.jpg?t=1339550223 One of my ideas for a combi-flamer. Guy on the far right. (Sorry I don't have better pictures but I saw your comment and decided to give you ideas) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 There are 2 things that have my attention, the Heavy Flamer and the Combi-Flamer, other than that yes I must agree with the assessment of PANTS!! a power armor heavy flamer can be easily made from the teriminator heavy flamer bit. seriously. i havent tried a combi flamer, but will poke around. and this release looks like garbage WLK Just look at theses combis http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SPAC...WEAPON_SET.html I havent gotten this set but they still look good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3169853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 why didnt they just copy the combi plasma and melta from the marine commander box? Those were nice, they needed a combi flamer though. These look like junk, (i'm going back to cutting up 2nd ed hand flamers) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3170067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 @Nrthstar I went to order a Limited edition last weekend and couldn't because it said they WERE sold out and no longer available....... Odd... and to be honest, if they weren't sold out I'll be quite pissed off! Such a weird thing. Well the official statement put out to stores only affects the standard edition, and my friends were able to get their limited edition boxes. What does it mean?? If GW doesn't have any limiteds left, than why aren't they selling the standard?? Either way, my buddy brought his Chosen test model into work today. For a snapfit, it's pretty sick, and I got a little excited to get to see my wolves DECIMATE chaos once again! That was online, as there are no FLGS nearer than 2 hours away and no GW stores nearer than 4..... So..... ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3170083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I just can't trust that small little pieces like these will be straight and not riddled with holes and major imperfections. I would love to use most of these bits, but wont strictly based on horrible previous experiences with 'Fine'cast. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260466-and-finecast-strikes-againgrrr/#findComment-3170390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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