Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 How would the wolf lord react to an ancient Space Wolf cruiser filled with about 200 stoked and very old Space Wolves returning with booty & tales of Glory & a very old Wolf Lord? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 They would welcome them. I am sure there would be some sort of testing with the rune priests to determine the presence of any maleficrum. But barring that, I am sure a great feast and many telling of sagas would be told. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think they would be welcomed home. That was a direction I was originally taking my GC. Went a different path though. He did leave for a reason, and unless that was a Great Hunt, it actually might be a little tense. But if in the long run he swore oaths of loyalty to the Chapter and what not I am sure they would be welcomed back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrd-maker Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm actually curious as to what would happen to the structure of the company at that point. I wonder if they would be split and assigned to the current companies or if they would be added as a another full company...hmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm actually curious as to what would happen to the structure of the company at that point. I wonder if they would be split and assigned to the current companies or if they would be added as a another full company...hmm A Great Wolf would know the bonds formed over such a long time could never be broken. In fact he would think it part of their wyrd to remain together, so I do not see them splittling up at all. I also don't see them adding a full company to the Annulus in any shape or form. What I do think would happen is that they would listed as a supernumerary company so that they could follow their wyrd. Hence they could come and go as they please and could be called in as support for any other mission deemed appropriate by the Great Wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm actually curious as to what would happen to the structure of the company at that point. I wonder if they would be split and assigned to the current companies or if they would be added as a another full company...hmm A Great Wolf would know the bonds formed over such a long time could never be broken. In fact he would think it part of their wyrd to remain together, so I do not see them splittling up at all. I also don't see them adding a full company to the Annulus in any shape or form. What I do think would happen is that they would listed as a supernumerary company so that they could follow their wyrd. Hence they could come and go as they please and could be called in as support for any other mission deemed appropriate by the Great Wolf. I would agree to this. Kind of like they are always welcome to the hearth, particularly when they have a good tale or need a rearm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm actually curious as to what would happen to the structure of the company at that point. I wonder if they would be split and assigned to the current companies or if they would be added as a another full company...hmm A Great Wolf would know the bonds formed over such a long time could never be broken. In fact he would think it part of their wyrd to remain together, so I do not see them splittling up at all. I also don't see them adding a full company to the Annulus in any shape or form. What I do think would happen is that they would listed as a supernumerary company so that they could follow their wyrd. Hence they could come and go as they please and could be called in as support for any other mission deemed appropriate by the Great Wolf. I also agree here. It's likely that may be partially the reason for why I think our Great Company's are named rather than numbered. They would most likely be referred to by the name of their Lord, for ex Kjell Stormcrows Great Company, or Bulwyf Threadcutters Great Company. I think I recall reading somewhere that all the so called "lost" companies are considered to be alongside the thirteenth until/ unless they return, can't recall where though. Anyhow, I think they'd be tested and welcomed back as brothers if there is no taint on them. ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 This is part of the Space Wolves fluff I love. We are no longer a Legion. We have only 12 Great Companies, each roughly 200 marines, that answer directly to the Great Wolf. As to how many Wolves prowl Imperial Space serving the Emperor's Will. How would we know :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 This is part of the Space Wolves fluff I love. We are no longer a Legion. We have only 12 Great Companies, each roughly 200 marines, that answer directly to the Great Wolf. As to how many Wolves prowl Imperial Space serving the Emperor's Will. How would we know ;) Basically this is the design teams answer for successor chapters to other legions and the fluff that Space Wolves cannot have successors. Over 10,000 years, I am sure that the "real" Space Wolves numbers is much, MUCH higher then the proclaimed 12 Great Companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3172965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hmmm this poses some dilemmas. They would have been included into the lost company Rune(13th Company blank marker) So..... There would be no "place for them at the 12 seats as a new company would have been formed. Also, they would be kept very secret and probably sent back out to remain "lost". Personally, I think Lost Companies are the SW's way to get around the chapter size issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagamar Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think the same has... Personally, I think Lost Companies are the SW's way to get around the chapter size issue. Space Wolf are lost in battle for they seek the glory death and are replenish with new recruit. My point is that the chapter always recruit their numbers in certain constant way or near numbers following the good / bad year of Fenris. Its when a Great Wolf who is over protecting is number or fight become less within the Imperium reach that the Great Companies goes over their number creating the Great Wolf to wanna go on a Great Hunt for over confidence or either being newly appointed or diplomacy within the wolf lords as reach the point of no return. Would a company that goes on a great hunt comeback..... NO! For this would mean a great fall to their honor that they have not found 'Russ'. To death and beyond would they have yell upon departure. The only reason I would see a great Hunt company coming back would be if they hade found something so serious that the entire chapter need to know about 'Russ' disapearance... and even then only a very few members would comeback from this hunt. Im thinking below 20 members... I would even go as far as to be needed to be so serious that the msg cannot be sent by astropath to the Great Wolf... Hagamar The Wolf Brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 This is part of the Space Wolves fluff I love. We are no longer a Legion. We have only 12 Great Companies, each roughly 200 marines, that answer directly to the Great Wolf. As to how many Wolves prowl Imperial Space serving the Emperor's Will. How would we know :D Basically this is the design teams answer for successor chapters to other legions and the fluff that Space Wolves cannot have successors. Over 10,000 years, I am sure that the "real" Space Wolves numbers is much, MUCH higher then the proclaimed 12 Great Companies. That's a very interesting point. Now that I think about it, some Legions were so big they divided into SEVERAL second founding chapters, each a thousand strong. The Space Wolves divided once, and it failed. Nevertheless, they never encountered any massacres or tragedy or wipe-outs, considering they didn't even get the worst of the Horus Heresy, it seems like. The Ultramarines were relatively unscathed, and divided into several nice thousand-man chapters (or maybe they started small). If Russ's legion was ten thousand or more, and the division was a 40 or 30% split, there would be sooo many Wolf Brothers out to there, but it didn't seem like there were that many. They seem very rare, but again we have little to no info on those poor pups. So, conservatively, if the Wolf Brothers received 20% of the legion's ten thousand (take or leave deaths from the Heresy, then what's the math on that, I dunno, 2000?), then there should be around 8000 sets of unaccounted Space Wolves gene-seeds floating running around the Milky Way. That's 8000 warriors.. If Ragnar's company numbers 200, and its the second biggest of the 12 next to Logan's, and say the other ones are around there too (as in its ten or twenty marines short), then an estimate of 200x12= 2400? Give or take? What happened to the other 5600 Wolves? I doubt they're all dead, and I doubt the 13th company is more than two thousand strong, if not a thousand. Did Russ take them all? These numbers start to make it seem like the Space Wolves never stopped being a Legion. :unsure: Side Note- I read some of the Eye of Terror articles I found in old white dwarves. Turns out Logan refused to comment when they encountered the 13th Co in the last Black Crusade. Is this a sign of disapproval? Are they shunned by the new Space Wolves? Or is this a sign of him taking them under his wing to protect them? There was no fluff about it afterwards, it seems. How did he treat them, especially all those Wulfens? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Let's not get into discussing the SW chapter size. Take it to the Chapter size thread please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfkry Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Oddly enough a couple of months ago i wrote a piece of fan fiction on this very topic of a great company returning after being lost before the assault on prospero. Ill post it up sometime this week and see if anyone likes it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think the same has... Personally, I think Lost Companies are the SW's way to get around the chapter size issue. Space Wolf are lost in battle for they seek the glory death and are replenish with new recruit. My point is that the chapter always recruit their numbers in certain constant way or near numbers following the good / bad year of Fenris. Its when a Great Wolf who is over protecting is number or fight become less within the Imperium reach that the Great Companies goes over their number creating the Great Wolf to wanna go on a Great Hunt for over confidence or either being newly appointed or diplomacy within the wolf lords as reach the point of no return. Would a company that goes on a great hunt comeback..... NO! For this would mean a great fall to their honor that they have not found 'Russ'. To death and beyond would they have yell upon departure. The only reason I would see a great Hunt company coming back would be if they hade found something so serious that the entire chapter need to know about 'Russ' disapearance... and even then only a very few members would comeback from this hunt. Im thinking below 20 members... I would even go as far as to be needed to be so serious that the msg cannot be sent by astropath to the Great Wolf... Hagamar The Wolf Brothers This has no basis in the fluff at all. Great Companies comeback from Great Hunts all the time. Sometimes a Great Company will disappear on a Great Hunt, there are instances of them encountering new xenos races and either killing or get killed by them. One thing is certain, more Great Companies comeback then disappear and the codex is even quoted as saying that they share greats sagas of their travels and much good is done in the name of the Great Hunts, even if Russ is not found. I am not proposing a chapter size debate att all. My point was that the game designers use successor chapters for the other chapters so players can make up fluff and character for their own successor chapters that use Blood Angel rules for example. As the SW were specifically mentioned in their fluff to be unable to create successors, the notion of "lost companies" fills that void for SW players to create Great Companies not currently on the annulus. In otherwords, as many players can create their unknown Ultra/BA/DA/etc/etc successor chapters, SW players can create SW lost companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 This is cool stuff. I have been thinking about the return of about 100 Space wolves who had previously been part of Sven Ironhands great company now led by Ozeryk_Sleipnijr. Ozeryk is the captain of a pre Heresy Cruiser that was lost even before the Allfather found Leman Russ. The Cruiser is called the Smygande Varg (swed. for Stealthy Wolf) & has some of the most advanced stealth & detection features. He found this ship togeather with a Navigator from House Bellsarious in a Space Hulk in his Deathwatch days as a Killmarine, but this is a saga for another time. Ozeryk Sleipnijr is then asked by Logan Grimmnar to seek out all those people that had been saved from the first Armageddon War & to check up on whether they indeed turn to corruption easier, watch what the Inquisition was up to & reinforce the myth amongst those faithfull rescued that the Space Wolves & the Allfather are watching over them. The Smygande Varg would be the perfect ship to do this One of the main reasons I play Warhammer are the stories I can come up with. Space Wolves thrive because of thier sagas, not some manual called the Codex Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I would see any Company that did not leave the Fang under bad blood (major falling out with the Great Wolf), being able to return to the Fang for refit and resupply. For example: a Company leaves to go on a Great Hunt. After much time and travel in their quest they would need Blood Claws and gear to stay at fighting strength. I would see no problem with their return, resupply, and then leave again to pick up their quest. There are those that are counted in the "13th" as they refused to swear their oath to the new Great Wolf and left. These would not be readily welcomed back. I could see them returning after getting their tails handed to them to ask forgiveness of the Great Wolf and being given a penitent quest to redeem their honor and prove themselves worthy to be numbered among the twelve again (once there is an opening at the table). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3173826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Honestly, the way I see it for any Wolf Lord who broke from the current Great Wolf and took his Great Company to ply the Sea of Stars on their own to return to Fenris and ask for supplies/men/what-have-ye, the sheer act of showing up might be all that's needed. The Wolves are incredibly proud warriors and that they have even returned is a non-spoken admitting of "I screwed up. I need help". No Wolf would further dishonor the returning Wolves by going as far to send them off on some penitent quest or petty task by the Great Wolf. At most it would be a locking of eyes between the resident Wolf Lords and the returning Lord and the understanding that the Wolves are always a pack. Anyone trying to demand a quest or such would more than likely find themselves on the wrong side of a frost axe very quickly... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3174825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted September 14, 2012 Author Share Posted September 14, 2012 My Story would actually be that Ozeryk discovered Sven Iron hands great company. Sven Immediatly tried to intimidate Ozeryk into handing over the ship (Smygande Varg), which included 500 Squats and a funny Urang Utang type of alien that was a genius with gadgets. Ozeryk refused. A Duell was fought between Sven & Ozeryk which Ozeryk won. Due to the dissatisfaction of Svens leadership (& the reason for leaving Fenris) half of the members of Svens Great Company left with Ozeryk. I think this fluff could stand? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/260713-the-return-or-reapperance-of-a-great-company/#findComment-3175647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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