Mr.selfdestruct Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Ok, with the new rules on Reserves, specifically that no more than 50% of your army can begin the game in reserve...how would that affect the following army: My friend runs Blood Angels, with Astorath and 3 squads of Death Company all mounted in 3 Storm Ravens. Since Storm Ravens are flyers they begin the game in reserve, with the squads embarked on them. That's his entire army...is this no longer legal? Ignore the fact that he has NO scoring units, that's another topic all together. I have read the rule book, and the codex, and the FAQ's, I'm still not entirely clear however on if this would work or not. Also, how about Drop Pod marine armies? If the entire force is in Pods, which MUST deep strike, is that ok? Or can only 50% be deployed in the pods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 "Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in Reserves? For example, must I count the units in a Drop Pod or Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves? (p124) A: No.", BRB FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 His army is legal. Its a bad army, since at the end of turn 1 he has no models on the table and therefore autoloses, but it is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.selfdestruct Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Dswanick- You are a scholar and a gentleman, sir. I salute you. JamesI- Oh crap, seriously? Lol...he isn't gonna be happy about that little tid-bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Dswanick- You are a scholar and a gentleman, sir. I salute you. JamesI- Oh crap, seriously? Lol...he isn't gonna be happy about that little tid-bit. Yeah James has it. With respect ot Pods, you could reserver everything in a pod and not lose on Game turn 1 because you MUST deploy half your pods on your first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The rule book FAQ is here. Page 7, 5th question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Auto-lose is in the rulebook, not the FAQ, so I'd suggest you get your friend to re-read the BGB a few times. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Indeed BRB page 122 Victory Conditions the first paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Don't the vehicles themselves count as a unit in regards to the reserve list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Stormravens have no choice; they must start in reserves. As such they do not count towards the limit nor do any of their passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Auto-lose, lol... So technically all he has to do is deploy Astorath and hide for a turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.selfdestruct Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 Ok, crisis averted. I let him know and he has moved some points around to include some scout snipers in the back field. Now, I had another question in regards to this same rule... On Pg 122 it says "if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins." How does this apply to Chaos Daemons or Drop Pod armies if you go happen to go second? Does 'game turn' mean as opposed to 'player turn'? I am assuming this is the case, but I figure while I'm here I might as well check. Ok, crisis averted. I let him know and he has moved some points around to include some scout snipers in the back field. Now, I had another question in regards to this same rule... On Pg 122 it says "if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins." How does this apply to Chaos Daemons or Drop Pod armies if you go happen to go second? Does 'game turn' mean as opposed to 'player turn'? I am assuming this is the case, but I figure while I'm here I might as well check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Game turn is two player turns. So game turn 1 is each players first turn. Demons and Drop pods are fine, since they have to have something show turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Unless they all mishap and either die or get delayed. But I don't see that happening often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cielaq Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I thought this rule is from game turn 2 onward, so no auto-loose in game turn 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I thought this rule is from game turn 2 onward, so no auto-loose in game turn 1? Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will Iautomatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122) A: Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cielaq Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Thanks dswanick. :D I've re-read the rule on page 122, and it's indeed any game turn, including Turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I would happily let him put everything in three stormravens weather it's legal or not. One auto win and he'll change his list pretty quickly. This does bring up another question which I think is the core of the original post.... Do units embarked in a flyer count towards having half your models in reserve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I really should read the older posts instead of skim them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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