2000AD Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Whats the odds that before the HH series finishes, these 2 square off again? Maybe in the siege for Terra? I know Abaddon doesnt die but it would be a great fight scene to write about..... especially with Loken's new found battle rage! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Hmm... I think I'd rather see what he'd be able to do in a fight against Khârn, personally... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3175976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I think it will be Loken versus Horus Aximand as the big climatic battle for each of these character arcs, based on what I've read/heard so far throughout the series Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I know Abaddon doesnt die .... :thanks: Loken doesn't appear to die either. I wouldn't be surprised if he were still kicking about in 40K. Heck, maybe he's Draigo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I think it will be Loken versus Horus Aximand as the big climatic battle for each of these character arcs, based on what I've read/heard so far throughout the series I am with you on this. Lil Horus is going to Crap his power armour when he runs into Loken again. I know Abaddon doesnt die .... :thanks: Loken doesn't appear to die either. I wouldn't be surprised if he were still kicking about in 40K. Heck, maybe he's Draigo. It says that Draigo was not the first Grey Knight to have the Eternal Warrior Power. I think they are talking about Cerberus. When the Remembrancer asked him how Long the Astartes live, i think he will be the answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I would say they don't simply because of how the Grey Knights' current "Origin" fluff is with them all being stuck in the warp while the Heresy concludes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I can't see any situation in which anyone would be satisfied by this. If Loken 'wins', what does it matter since Abbadon is alive to reave, plunder, and bleed the Imperium until the present? Loken losing would mean his resurrection was pointless (the feeling I already have) and poor fan service. But that's just my Two cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I can't see any situation in which anyone would be satisfied by this. If Loken 'wins', what does it matter since Abbadon is alive to reave, plunder, and bleed the Imperium until the present? Loken losing would mean his resurrection was pointless (the feeling I already have) and poor fan service. But that's just my Two cents. I will argue, until my dying breath, in any Heresy meeting where it's suggested that Abaddon loses to Loken. That said, I can already see the justification: "This is before Abaddon really comes into his own." It's not technically true (there's a reason he's First freaking Captain of the highest-regarded Legion) but it's the kind of fudged compromise you see from time to time, when authors' ideas conflict. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I can't see any situation in which anyone would be satisfied by this. If Loken 'wins', what does it matter since Abbadon is alive to reave, plunder, and bleed the Imperium until the present? Loken losing would mean his resurrection was pointless (the feeling I already have) and poor fan service. But that's just my Two cents. I will argue, until my dying breath, in any Heresy meeting where it's suggested that Abaddon loses to Loken. That said, I can already see the justification: "This is before Abaddon really comes into his own." It's not technically true (there's a reason he's First freaking Captain of the highest-regarded Legion) but it's the kind of fudged compromise you see from time to time, when authors' ideas conflict. Couldn't agree more, Abaddon is meant to be the big bad, the Astartes who can order Primarchs around, he should definitely not lose to Loken. However there is nothing wrong with them meeting up during the Siege of Terra, having a chat, swinging a few blows and then getting separated before any resolution to the fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3176259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Abaddon should kill Loken for real if they ever meet again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge The Weak Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I still think little horus will open the sheilds on horus's ship. Maybe there will be a show down. Loken never done that bad considering he had been out in the field and his physical condition and armour would of been battered. I think he may put a chink in Abbadons ego and cause him to lose the plot a little. But it won't be much more then that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Abaddon should kill Loken for real if they ever meet again Abaddon should have killed Loken when he got the chance. He failed. He wanted to do the deed in style, with the sword that killed Torgoddon. Classic bad guy flaw. I don't think he will get a 2nd bite @ that apple. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Abadon in terminator armor versus loken in gk armor, would be epic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I can't see any situation in which anyone would be satisfied by this. If Loken 'wins', what does it matter since Abbadon is alive to reave, plunder, and bleed the Imperium until the present? Loken losing would mean his resurrection was pointless (the feeling I already have) and poor fan service. But that's just my Two cents. I will argue, until my dying breath, in any Heresy meeting where it's suggested that Abaddon loses to Loken. That said, I can already see the justification: "This is before Abaddon really comes into his own." It's not technically true (there's a reason he's First freaking Captain of the highest-regarded Legion) but it's the kind of fudged compromise you see from time to time, when authors' ideas conflict. LOL @ "Hasn't come into his own." So "dying" has given him some sort of insight into combat over Abaddon? That would be a colossal cop-out. Keep waving that flag for us Aaron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I still think little horus will open the sheilds on horus's ship I'm all for this. I enjoy that idea of a character arc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I still think little horus will open the sheilds on horus's ship I'm all for this. I enjoy that idea of a character arc. The story goes that Horus, wanting a quick resolution to the siege, dropped the shields so he could face the Emperor and end the war. Would be awesome if the truth turns out to be that Horus is winning, the gates have been breached and the loyalists gather for their last stand. Little horus drops the shields and the Emperor takes advantage of this turn of fortune. Would be a great ending to the series that has already turned many "facts" of the heresy upside down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The story goes that Horus, wanting a quick resolution to the siege, dropped the shields so he could face the Emperor and end the war. Would be awesome if the truth turns out to be that Horus is winning, the gates have been breached and the loyalists gather for their last stand. Little horus drops the shields and the Emperor takes advantage of this turn of fortune. Would be a great ending to the series that has already turned many "facts" of the heresy upside down. Actually there used to be two versions of this. One was that Horus dropped the shields because he knew that the Space Wolves and Dark Angels were coming and needed to end the siege quicker by killing the Emperor. The other was that Horus was about to win and dropped the shields to be able to better witness the Emperor's death and his final victory and the Emperor took advantage of this and teleported up. I think the current version is the first one though, the other dates back to Third Edition when a lot of the fluff existed from different perspectives much like the Iron Cage incident which is told rather differently depending on whose perspective is taken into account. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm always all for the idea of Aximand dropping the shields on the Vengeful Spirit before Abaddon executes him. That said, though, this is still about Mr. Loken. To be honest, I could see him as dying on the steps of the Imperial Palace or on the Vengeful Spirit. He's already had that one 'death' that he imagined where he would be all alone on a desolate planet with nobody to mark his passing... now I think it'd be nice if his actual death came during his first imagined death; that epic last stand he envisioned. Horus would be there, of course... just not in the way Loken imagined. Yes, I know Horus wasn't directly fighting at the gates to the Imperial palace. Just felt it'd be 'interesting' to see Loken actually die in his epic last stand so that he gets the send-off he initially wanted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I know ADB can rebuild him, and he has the technology, but it's about time Abaddon started actually doing something other than being the Bebop to Horus' Shredder. From now on in the HH series, I only want to see Abaddon's name if it comes before 'killed a guy to death.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 the Bebop to Horus' Shredder. Love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3177930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 the Bebop to Horus' Shredder. Love it. Erebus is Rocksteady? Maloghurst (where's he been lately) is Kraang? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3178510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpedphonecian Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 hmm, what about loken vs torgaddon? i know there's a picture of him somewhere in 'collected visions...' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3180846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Or, an alternate idea I had lately, we have Loken accompany the strike team to the Vengeful Spirit, and he accompanies Rogal Dorn to the Emperor. That way, unless they do the scouring, he can close the Horus Heresy book series with, "I was there the day that Horus slew the Emperor" Nice little bookends there. <.<; Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3180885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 hmm, what about loken vs torgaddon? i know there's a picture of him somewhere in 'collected visions...' Tarik Torgaddon is dead. He got killed by Lil Horus. Loken might run into the Deamon, Tarik reborn, he-who-is-now-Tormaggedon.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3180892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 he-who-is-now-Tormaggedon.... Who I cannot take seriously considering how much he reminds me of Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All from Doctor Who. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261028-loken-vs-abaddon/#findComment-3181003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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