armor at the battle for terra.

[Blood Genocide]

Topic description says it all. It may be too early to tell but I'm trying to make a themed blood angel army for the defense of terra with sanguinius leading it.

[Nova_Dew]

I'd say anything from MK II to MK V maybe the odd suit of MK VI but I don't know how early it was made

[Brother Captain Kezef]

I'd say anything from MK II to MK V maybe the odd suit of MK VI but I don't know how early it was made

 

Mark VI or "beaky" armour is explained in deliverance lost, it was desighned by the loyalists as a stop-gap since the traitors had the majority of the mark IV.

 

MKIV is superior to MK VI and MkV is a heresy stop gap, basicly scraps of armour thrown together to keep a suit in service. At the siege of Terra the BA would of had access to MKVI, would have many wearing MKV aswell as MKII and MKIII but MK IV would be rare.

[jeremy1391]

I read a while back that the defenders of terra were authorized to wear the aquila on their chest plates, so from a conversion standpoint get a bunch o beaky heads and you should be good with the MK VII chest plate.

[Reyner]

I read a while back that the defenders of terra were authorized to wear the aquila on their chest plates, so from a conversion standpoint get a bunch o beaky heads and you should be good with the MK VII chest plate.

They also wore the armour with the winged skull so you can use a fair few of the MKVII chests :) They could have changed that big of fluff though...

[Blindhamster]

judging from the deathwatch rules, mk6 is actually better than mk4, though mk4 was better than 2,3 and 5. mk7 is improved above and beyond mk6 although mk6 has the best auto senses.

 

The Blood Angels would've had armours ranging from mk2 to mk6, probably mostly mk3 and mk4 as apparently the Blood Angels have quite a lot of mk4 suits (most of the non artificer suits mentioned in fear to tread are mk4). mk6 I imagine wouldn't be all that common still as while it was being manufactured, I don't expect they had much time to replace much of the legion.... also note that mk5 isn't 'technically' a mk at all, it is the official designation given by the adeptus mechanicus for all 'non standard' suits of power armour...

 

amusingly that also means that forgeworlds mk4 assault squad... are actually another mk5 assault squad! :(

[Nash Trickster]

I can't give the quote right now (not at home) but I'm pretty sure that the Loyalists were wearing the Imperialis (winged skull) and not the Aquilla itself!

 

And to answer the question in the title, anything from MkII to MkVI would be fine. But I would refrain from adding too many MkIV since they were said to have been distributed mainly to Traitors.

You can add bits of MkI (like the shoulder pads for example) into the design of your MkV since MkV's been said to be a kitbash of different marks, with the famous "rivet bounded ceramite parts" being used when the part in question was no longer available from the stocks of older marks... (As for the new helmet type for the MkV, those helmets were salvaged from the stocks built for a prototype of Terminator Armour...)

[jeremy1391]

being as the blood ngels are all elegant and stuff they would also probably not rock to many MKIII suits since they were heavy and clunky. MKII, and MKIV with a dash of MKVI would probably work.... also sanguinary guard would be fine in their artificer suits since they arent really a discernable mark, but I would not use the MKVII heads, "death masks" were mentioned in fear to tread though dont remember the page number though.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

being as the blood ngels are all elegant and stuff they would also probably not rock to many MKIII suits since they were heavy and clunky. MKII, and MKIV with a dash of MKVI would probably work.... also sanguinary guard would be fine in their artificer suits since they arent really a discernable mark, but I would not use the MKVII heads, "death masks" were mentioned in fear to tread though dont remember the page number though.

 

They where not deathmasks back in the crusade.

 

The Sanguinary guardare described as bearing the face of Sanguinius, which indicates the masks predate his death.

[jeremy1391]

being as the blood ngels are all elegant and stuff they would also probably not rock to many MKIII suits since they were heavy and clunky. MKII, and MKIV with a dash of MKVI would probably work.... also sanguinary guard would be fine in their artificer suits since they arent really a discernable mark, but I would not use the MKVII heads, "death masks" were mentioned in fear to tread though dont remember the page number though.

 

They where not deathmasks back in the crusade.

 

The Sanguinary guardare described as bearing the face of Sanguinius, which indicates the masks predate his death.

 

thus why the "deathmasks" was in quotations, I was trying to convey that the bit in the sanguinary guard box could be used. And most of the "death mask" bits have a tear on the cheek which would work since after Signus Prime the angel tattooed a tear on his face.

[Vodunius]

Codex Ultramarines and Insignium Astartes describe the Imperialis (winged skull) as originating as the loyalist campaign badge during the Heresy - however this merely describes the origin of the Imperialis, it does not preclude the use of the Aquila as well.

 

The original fluff (WD129/RT Compilation) had MkV as the stopgap whilst a true replacement suit was produced: that suit was the MkVII, the MkVI was a beta-test that was rushed into full production when the traitors were closing in on the Solar system whilst MkVII was the finished job, which DID reach troops on Earth and the Moon before the siege.

[Ubermensch Commander]

Codex Ultramarines and Insignium Astartes describe the Imperialis (winged skull) as originating as the loyalist campaign badge during the Heresy - however this merely describes the origin of the Imperialis, it does not preclude the use of the Aquila as well.

 

Unless it has been retconned, my understanding is that only the Emperor's Children and the Custodes were allowed to bear the Aquila, outside of special dispensation and gaudy buildings.

The Aquila became standard after the Heresy, though it is not entirely unfathomable that as late in the Heresy as the Siege of Terra and the Scouring the Aquila did seem more use amongst loyalists.

[Arachnid99]

I just had a look through my army and as Mark V is anything non-standard 90% of my army is Mark V, because I love modding and have always mixed and matched. Apart from the very first models I got the rest all have a mix of Mark VI, Mark VII, Mark IV, Mark VIII and since forgeworld released the older suits quite a lot of Mark II and III.

[Vodunius]

The Aquila became standard after the Heresy, though it is not entirely unfathomable that as late in the Heresy as the Siege of Terra and the Scouring the Aquila did seem more use amongst loyalists.

 

I've never seen any fluff to say it didn't become standard until after the heresy was ended, I've always assumed it was a mid-heresy thing partly due to the MkVII armour fluff and partly because the studios heresy era Emperors Children force for Space Marine 1st edition had the black eye of horus banner used by traitor Titans in lieu of purple Aquila banners suggesting that there may have been some likelyhood of friendly fire at the time. Also Space Marine 1st edition had a rather nice pencil drawing of MkVI marine with an embossed aquila on his torso under the power cables.

[Ubermensch Commander]

The Aquila became standard after the Heresy, though it is not entirely unfathomable that as late in the Heresy as the Siege of Terra and the Scouring the Aquila did seem more use amongst loyalists.

 

I've never seen any fluff to say it didn't become standard until after the heresy was ended, I've always assumed it was a mid-heresy thing partly due to the MkVII armour fluff and partly because the studios heresy era Emperors Children force for Space Marine 1st edition had the black eye of horus banner used by traitor Titans in lieu of purple Aquila banners suggesting that there may have been some likelyhood of friendly fire at the time. Also Space Marine 1st edition had a rather nice pencil drawing of MkVI marine with an embossed aquila on his torso under the power cables.

 

1st edition Space Marine? Rogue Trader era stuff?

[Vodunius]

1st edition Space Marine? Rogue Trader era stuff?

 

Yes, tho there is also at least one picture in Collected Visions of EC with a Sauron banner.

[TennisBall]

According to the fluff, MKVII was being produced during the siege of Terra for the marines stationed on Terra and Luna.

 

It seems that MKIV is what was being made commonly available before the heresy, but the traitors seem to have got most of it before the civil war made it difficult to get the materials to make enough for everyone.

Patchwork armour started to appear as older marks were cannibalized for parts and locally made armour of non-standard design was included into the mix.

Mars had already been working on replacing the MKIV with an easier to produce mark once the scope of the heresy was known. The first suits went to the Raven Guard. The bulk of later suits then went to the loyalists. I'm assuming that Ultramarines and Dark Angels would not have got much of the MKVI if any because they were too far away.

The Blood Angels, White Scars and Imperial Fists would have been well supplied with MKVI. I suppose some may have made it to the Salamanders and Iron Hands too.

 

I would think that Blood Angels would have a lot of MKVI, as much MKIV as they could keep working, some mixed MKV with a bit of II and III thrown in. Elite units and assault specialists would have MKVII - the current mark. Maybe defensive troops would get the heavier MKIII while heavy weapons squads and tank crews would have the MKII and V. The better armour would be given to those most likely facing close combat.

 

I'm assuming that MKVII would still be quite rare as the full production facilities were on Mars and so it would be harder to make the armour properly on Terra.