AGPO Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I've finally bitten the bullet and invested in some pre-heresy stuff. The only issue is that I can't decide on which legion(s) to do. On the one hand I really like the idea of making some of the Traitor legions in their old colours, and it would be a much more unique modelling project than say Blood Angels/Fists but in old-style armour. On the other hand, a loyalist army has the big advantage of also being usable for regular 40k (I don't know anyone else with pre-heresy stuff). What swayed you guys either way when deciding which legion to model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I chose the legion that I liked the most, the Iron Hands. If I was to start another project...probably EC. Just go for whatever force appeals most, you can still use your force as normal codex marines/chaos marines for normal games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3180925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulllyssies0110 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I wanted a different army than the one's I play now (Blood Angles, Space Wolves, Crimson Fist). So I'm going with the Sons Of Horus. Because I can play them as loyalist or traitors. Well and Horus is cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Personally I plan to collect Iron Warriors and either Imperial Fists or Ultramarines, just to have one traitor and one loyal to put my conflicted soul at ease. And just as Cyder said, you can always use them with their appropriate codex for 40k play when not HH-ing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 As of right now I'm thinking loyalist Death Guard. Definitely one of the lesser known legions and I'm excited to be able to play them as loyalists before they fall, just like the glory days of the Imperium. I have always been interested in them but I don't play chaos and plague marines are just icky. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamanos Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Actually I have a question for you guys on this. I've got EC, bought the apoc force of normal space marines. But now I'm torn between how much I'll Chaos them up. How did you guys end up deciding? For example, at istvaan V, cover art suggests they look quite imperial still. But fluff suggests otherwise. Can I get away with just the sonic marines looking like nutters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Personally I prefer the traitor legions before the fall. I'd be happy collecting almost any legion (I love them all), but the pre-heresy traitors appeal to me because of their character flaws and its cool to have an alternate colour scheme :D I've had fun modelling some pre-heresy TSs but I'd probably go with the EC. They've been my favourite space marine force (pre or post-heresy) since the IA article was published in WD :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 As of right now I'm thinking loyalist Death Guard. Definitely one of the lesser known legions and I'm excited to be able to play them as loyalists before they fall, just like the glory days of the Imperium. I have always been interested in them but I don't play chaos and plague marines are just icky. I'm with you on this, I find the pre-heresy Deathguard very interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Just remember - Emperor's Children are the Pre-Heresy Ultramarines. ;) (So sayeth AD-:D I went for Night Lords myself, I've had an unpainted army since 2004 and this seemed like a good opportunity to do a Chaos Legion. To top it off, they can easily stand in for regular Chaos Space Marines. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Just remember - Emperor's Children are the Pre-Heresy Ultramarines. ;) (So sayeth AD-:lol: So the best of the best then? A legion that all others aspire to be like... ;) Thats alright, I like Ultramarines and don't mind collecting a popular army ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I hate heretics with a righteous fury. So probably IF or LW before they became the SoH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm not sure what the point of a PH loyalist army would be. It would be just like a normal loyalist army but with older armor. To each their own though. In that vein I think that one of most changed legions would be most interesting. So any of the future cult legions or perhaps the Word Bearers when they were still really into the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 A Luna Wolves or Sons of Horus Army would be my choice. After that a Death Guard army would be next, all pre heresy ofc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodshipalbion Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'd want to set the army before the primarch turned up and let the legions go to hell ...so dusk raiders or warhounds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I've finally bitten the bullet and invested in some pre-heresy stuff. The only issue is that I can't decide on which legion(s) to do. On the one hand I really like the idea of making some of the Traitor legions in their old colours, and it would be a much more unique modelling project than say Blood Angels/Fists but in old-style armour. On the other hand, a loyalist army has the big advantage of also being usable for regular 40k (I don't know anyone else with pre-heresy stuff). What swayed you guys either way when deciding which legion to model? Why a white/blue World Eater army will prevent you from playing a 40k game more than a yellow 30k IF army? Is it aesthetics? Other than that, if you make a 30k force that is 40k compatible, the colors do not really matter. It's personal taste. Which brings me to my choice among the 4 Legions that are presented in the Betrayal book which is the Sons of Horus. An unsual painting scheme which if one gets the hang of it it will make for a striking army on the table top. I'd go for World Eaters but I can't paint white if my life depended on it! Oh, and in the 40k context it will be a splinter warband that did not denounce Horus' legacy and kept the original coloration even after the SoH turned to Black Legion. They hate Black Legion and Abaddon for renouncing their Primarch and keep close ties with an Iron Warriors warband that provides them with the occasional Daemon Engine - and gives me the oportunity to tie in my existing IW Chaos army. This way I can expand my army(ies) to whichever direction I desire. 30k mood? Let's do some Mk4 and and a deimos Rhino. 40k? Bring in the daemon engines and the new 40k goodies! Bored with painting metal? Let's do this special green for a while. Tired of the more intricate green? Revert to the more straight fwd metal again... This can keep me involve for the next 10 years! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3181954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I am going to expand my Imperial fists with a bunch of preheresy stuff once they are covered in the HH books from FW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3182020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Why a white/blue World Eater army will prevent you from playing a 40k game more than a yellow 30k IF army? Is it aesthetics? Other than that, if you make a 30k force that is 40k compatible, the colors do not really matter. It's personal taste. Which brings me to my choice among the 4 Legions that are presented in the Betrayal book which is the Sons of Horus. An unsual painting scheme which if one gets the hang of it it will make for a striking army on the table top. I'd go for World Eaters but I can't paint white if my life depended on it! Oh, and in the 40k context it will be a splinter warband that did not denounce Horus' legacy and kept the original coloration even after the SoH turned to Black Legion. They hate Black Legion and Abaddon for renouncing their Primarch and keep close ties with an Iron Warriors warband that provides them with the occasional Daemon Engine - and gives me the oportunity to tie in my existing IW Chaos army. This way I can expand my army(ies) to whichever direction I desire. 30k mood? Let's do some Mk4 and and a deimos Rhino. 40k? Bring in the daemon engines and the new 40k goodies! Bored with painting metal? Let's do this special green for a while. Tired of the more intricate green? Revert to the more straight fwd metal again... This can keep me involve for the next 10 years! :( I take your point. I am already doing a Sons of Horus 40k army with exactly that background. My issue is more that I prefer narrative to competitive gaming, and I therefore prefer match-ups in my games to make sense background wise. I love the idea of doing a pre-heresy SoH/Luna Wolves army as a sort of prequel to my 40k force. I'd give each model background similar to 1000heathens' approach, and say whether they turned traitor or stayed loyal and died on Isstvan III. However, I don't know any other 30k players, and I can't think of a way to justify my loyalist SoH turning up to fight the Tau or Tyranids or successor chapters. On the other hand, I could easily incorperate my pre-heresy stuff into my Blood Angels. I could simply say these were the successors to those who fought at the Emperor's Palace, wearing the same armour in the defence of Baal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3182058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Luna Wolves for me obviously :lol:. Just choose the legion that you like most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3182158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well when i get more money i plan on doing EC :P haha I picked them just because i like the colors and also i reallly enjoy the idea of them trying to perfect themselves becuase that is something i aim for in my life, to be a better me/person. Just my 2 cents on the matter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3182368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Why a white/blue World Eater army will prevent you from playing a 40k game more than a yellow 30k IF army? Is it aesthetics? Other than that, if you make a 30k force that is 40k compatible, the colors do not really matter. It's personal taste. Which brings me to my choice among the 4 Legions that are presented in the Betrayal book which is the Sons of Horus. An unsual painting scheme which if one gets the hang of it it will make for a striking army on the table top. I'd go for World Eaters but I can't paint white if my life depended on it! Oh, and in the 40k context it will be a splinter warband that did not denounce Horus' legacy and kept the original coloration even after the SoH turned to Black Legion. They hate Black Legion and Abaddon for renouncing their Primarch and keep close ties with an Iron Warriors warband that provides them with the occasional Daemon Engine - and gives me the oportunity to tie in my existing IW Chaos army. This way I can expand my army(ies) to whichever direction I desire. 30k mood? Let's do some Mk4 and and a deimos Rhino. 40k? Bring in the daemon engines and the new 40k goodies! Bored with painting metal? Let's do this special green for a while. Tired of the more intricate green? Revert to the more straight fwd metal again... This can keep me involve for the next 10 years! :D I take your point. I am already doing a Sons of Horus 40k army with exactly that background. My issue is more that I prefer narrative to competitive gaming, and I therefore prefer match-ups in my games to make sense background wise. I love the idea of doing a pre-heresy SoH/Luna Wolves army as a sort of prequel to my 40k force. I'd give each model background similar to 1000heathens' approach, and say whether they turned traitor or stayed loyal and died on Isstvan III. However, I don't know any other 30k players, and I can't think of a way to justify my loyalist SoH turning up to fight the Tau or Tyranids or successor chapters. On the other hand, I could easily incorperate my pre-heresy stuff into my Blood Angels. I could simply say these were the successors to those who fought at the Emperor's Palace, wearing the same armour in the defence of Baal. I reread what I wrote and it might not have come out exactly the way I meant it. I get you completely. For me too, every game is a story! It matters to have all the visual elements tying in together be that armour types, vehicles and of course proper painting/marking. However the modelling/painting drive is overriding everything, and the desire to do pre-Heresy/Hersy era stuff is too strong. So i'm gonna do it. Even if it means I'll have a hard time finding people to play in the 30k setting, and having to give up a part of the visual conistency by pitting a 30k force against a 40k one. If all I need to make it happen is a two-line background story for my force (the one above came to me as I was typing - no surprise it's already taken! :P) then I'm all out to do it! And why can't they fight Tau? If they make it to the 41st millenium then they are against everybody - much like everybody else! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3182899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 arrrrgggghhhhhh looks like my HH army is going to run me close to 2 grand...... seems worth it just buy it slowly lol.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261421-loyalists-or-traitors/#findComment-3184110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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