Grimtooth Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well, Forgeworld has directed their resources at the Horus Heresy. The first book will center around the events of the "Great Betrayay" with signs going that the second will be the Drop Site Massacre of Instavan(sp) VII. Logically that put us in the third book with the Scouring of Prospero. So what do you all think would be a FW HH representation of the VI Legion or at least a playable force? Personally I see the same pack mentality we currently have as that is supposed to be unchaged and as Russ intended. One thing that I do not think would be prevalent are a large showing of Long Fangs. IIRC, there was a remark made in on of the HH novels how someday there would be Long Fangs like the rune priest Long Fang, hinting that there weren't many if at older Wolves in the legion yet. However, I see this void of the heavy weapon packs being filled with the vast number of heavy tanks and/or Heresy era technology being introduced and sold by Forgeworld. Frankly, I am a little happy by this as I cannot stand the heresy era heavy weapons offered by Forgeworld, especially the magazine type missle launchers. Another thing that I don't think that has become prevalent among the Legion during the time of the HH are the "specialization" of the Great Companies that we currently see in the codex. It appears that the Wolves all followed along the same battle doctrines. While there are mention of many jarls within the HH novels, they have not seemed to distinguished themselves into unique fighting styles in the battles we have been exposed. So just spitballing here as I have no idea what FW has in store for us, Jarls will practically always be accompanied by a Wolf Guard retinue. Rune Priests with jarl retinue Wolf Priests with Grey Hunters and Blood Claws. Larger then current standard Grey Hunter and Blood Claw packs; 20-25 GH and 30-35 Blood Claws. Jet bikes and heresy era speeders. Minimal Long Fangs and plethora of heavy tanks or weapon platforms; Typhons, conversion beamers, etc, etc. So what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 My guess will be that FW will introduce Kaerls and Huskaerls as options, I do think they will use a lot from Prospero burns, and we might see some special characters from that book, including Russ, Bjorn (in his pre-dreadnought form) Wyrdmake and maybe Kaspar. As Brother Ramses say, there will probably be some changes in the heavy slots, and as he, I can't stand the Missile launcher from that time. There will be loads of generic Legion stuff, that we will be able to use as Wolves, I hope a stormbird. It will probably cost as much as the Tau manta, but I do not care, I really want to build and paint one. :) /C Edited for stormbird instead of stormwind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3181959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm looking forward to the Primarch models, including our Wolf King. But as for the Rout itself... Thunder rhino's and anything from the collective visions books. --EDIT-- correction, Primarch models and their RULES!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3181974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsight Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 It worth noting that they say we are going to be using the codex as much as possible, and the space wolves haven't really changed all that much over the millennia and the Kaerls and Huskaerls are still there just in the background, Also what could be done ? we have the everything in the codex we need and have been doing it that way since the beginning I think there will be a lack of jetbikes since we're not really fond of those types of things So I really don't know most likely just some Special Characters and should pads and at a pinch some weapon options for Cataphacii termies although I will be at games day buying some with the chain axes and get some round shields on the go :D Soz if this is a bit doom and gloom but hey I am not as inventive as the guys in FW so I await with bated breath and a full wallet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think there would be heavy weapon teams...just not called "long fangs". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elithren Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Prospuro happen before the drop sit massacre? I mean, it was Horus who told Leman to go and kill Magnus, changing the Emperor's order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I believe collected visions already shows a long fang pack (think it's named squad there), armed with assaultcannons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm looking forward to the Primarch models, including our Wolf King. But as for the Rout itself... Thunder rhino's and anything from the collective visions books. --EDIT-- correction, Primarch models and their RULES!!!! The Angron model looks promising, albeit, I am not a big fan of it in particular. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafdan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Prospuro happen before the drop sit massacre? I mean, it was Horus who told Leman to go and kill Magnus, changing the Emperor's order. I always thought they happened at nearly the same time. Horus did a pretty good job of isolating the loyalist marines in seperate areas of the galaxy so he could cleanse his own ranks. Besdes, had the wolves been anywhere near them, they'd have wiped the floor with the traitor legions. I'm looking forward to the primarch models also! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Prospuro happen before the drop sit massacre? I mean, it was Horus who told Leman to go and kill Magnus, changing the Emperor's order. I always thought they happened at nearly the same time. Horus did a pretty good job of isolating the loyalist marines in seperate areas of the galaxy so he could cleanse his own ranks. Besdes, had the wolves been anywhere near them, they'd have wiped the floor with the traitor legions. I'm looking forward to the primarch models also! The cleansing of ranks happened on Istvaan III, not Instavaan V, IIRC. From what I understand, the Wolves were sent to Prospero after the cleansing of ranks on Istvaan III, but prior to the drop site massacre of Istvaan V and before Dorn found out about the betrayal from the survivors. A small window where Russ would not yet know of the betrayal at III and before the massacre at V. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafdan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 The cleansing of ranks happened on Istvaan III, not Instavaan V, IIRC. From what I understand, the Wolves were sent to Prospero after the cleansing of ranks on Istvaan III, but prior to the drop site massacre of Istvaan V and before Dorn found out about the betrayal from the survivors. A small window where Russ would not yet know of the betrayal at III and before the massacre at V. Yep, cleansing on III and massacre on V. Thats what the wiki-entry says. That timeline makes sense. Also, holy crap fifty pounds?? Thats like 85 dollars plus shipping, Primarchs are expensive.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 The cleansing of ranks happened on Istvaan III, not Instavaan V, IIRC. From what I understand, the Wolves were sent to Prospero after the cleansing of ranks on Istvaan III, but prior to the drop site massacre of Istvaan V and before Dorn found out about the betrayal from the survivors. A small window where Russ would not yet know of the betrayal at III and before the massacre at V. Yep, cleansing on III and massacre on V. Thats what the wiki-entry says. That timeline makes sense. Also, holy crap fifty pounds?? Thats like 85 dollars plus shipping, Primarchs are expensive.... That is why I think book 3 at least before we are mentioned. The drop site massacre will be all the legions that got hammered there. I think that book 3 would then be a collection of other incidents around the galaxy, including the Scouring of Prospero, and introducing the legions involved in those incidents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 The cleansing of ranks happened on Istvaan III, not Instavaan V, IIRC. From what I understand, the Wolves were sent to Prospero after the cleansing of ranks on Istvaan III, but prior to the drop site massacre of Istvaan V and before Dorn found out about the betrayal from the survivors. A small window where Russ would not yet know of the betrayal at III and before the massacre at V. Yep, cleansing on III and massacre on V. Thats what the wiki-entry says. That timeline makes sense. Also, holy crap fifty pounds?? Thats like 85 dollars plus shipping, Primarchs are expensive.... That is not correct. Based on the third HH book, after Horus was being influenced while unconscious, he convinced Russ to change from apprehend to kill versus with respect to Magnus.* 1. Magnus warns Emperor about what is going to occur, 2. Emp. Sends Russ to apprehend 3. Horus tells Russ Magnus is also trafficking with warp entities and he needs to attack not defend. 4. Istvaan III 5. Istvaan V *"False Gods" Page 405 Detail.... Horus has fully committed to rebel and has turned his back on Magnus's urging to not go down that path. Horus- "We have the advantage of surprise. No one yet suspects us of having learned the Emperor's true plan, and in that lies our greatest weapon" Maloghurst: "But what of Magnus?" asked Maloghurst urgently, "What happens when Leman Russ returns him to Terra?" Horus: "Calm yourself, Mal. I have already contacted my brother Russ and illuminated him iwht the full breadth of Magnus's treacherous use of daemonic spells and conjurations. He was.... suitably angry, and I believe I have convinced him to return Magnus Terra would be a waste of time and effort" After this, Regulus asks about the other legions and Horus he has a plan to take care of them at Istvaan. So Russ is sent after Magnus before the planning of Istvaan (either III or V) "Galaxy in Flames", the next book, covers Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafdan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So, Prospero fell before the cleansing at Istvaan III, or was the battle still ongoing during the cleansing? ***marches off to add more books to his amazon wishlist*** Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So, Prospero fell before the cleansing at Istvaan III, or was the battle still ongoing during the cleansing? Not sure of the sequencing of events between prospero and the drop site battles. Also not sure what makes sense as we don't know the distances location of forces on the galactic map. With the secrecy of Istvaan III (except for one...Garro) The treachery at Istvaan III could have occurred before the battle of prospero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafdan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Not sure of the sequencing of events between prospero and the drop site battles. Also not sure what makes sense as we don't know the distances location of forces on the galactic map. With the secrecy of Istvaan III (except for one...Garro) The treachery at Istvaan III could have occurred before the battle of prospero. I like that its kind of an unknown. Makes it more realistic that events from so long ago are missing details, and accounts vary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Yes, Primarch models & rules. Kinda agree about the jetbikes not being for us. Other Heavy weapon units such as tanks & such probably. Space Wolf crewed Leman Russ Tanks. Official rules for Fell Blades( currently halfway through preping one--guess I'll hold off for a bit) as well as House Karls I think we will see as well as maybe a flyer or two. Wasn't there a flyer with 2 side mounted Hvy Bolter manned by Wolves in Battle of The Fang? Or perhaps a Storm Bird? One can hope. Do like the looks of the Hersey era Terminators. Won't take much to Wolf them up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactire Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think that fluffwise we havent changed that much since heresy. Definitely Russ probably some other characters inc. dreads (cormec dodd as con/dread), would love to see jarl gunn first captain and maybe bulveye. Looking at the cool Angron model i hope they do something similar with Russ, maybe attacking with his two wolves alongside as the diorama and then him alone on 40mm base. I think myself that that would keep most wolf players happy as we seem to love to convert anyway, maybe throw in some weapon sprues with shields, axes and some wolfy chainaxes. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I really hope Scouts remain a valid choice, maybe we'll see them actually being able to take Locator Beacons (admittedly Wolf Scouts are more likely to sneak in and kill everything they need to than call in reinforcements than other Chapter's/Legion's Scouts but it'd be nice) and Stealth (or at least being able to purchase it).-This is a personal wish though and I would understand if FW didn't deem it appropriate, but Wolf Scouts have been one of the great units of the Codex, and we had a hit from no assaulting from outflanking, making them less scary. Regarding heavy weapons, I'd love Long Fangs to still be pretty prevalent as I want an infantry based force, I'll add armour and such later but I prefer the idea of "light infantry". Maybe with air/skimmer support. All I know is I love the models currently being displayed, and look forward to a nice big FW order (going to wait until I can secure enough funds to get free shipping lol, which between the book, some termies with magnetised arms and some more MkIV WYSIWYG isn't actually that big) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm looking forward to the Primarch models, including our Wolf King. But as for the Rout itself... Thunder rhino's and anything from the collective visions books. --EDIT-- correction, Primarch models and their RULES!!!! This! I cannot wait.... But luckily I will have too lol.... with the chaos release coming out and my Redmaw's Company nearly completed I don't/won't have the coin to jump the gun and spend it on those beautiful new termies and will wait until the ones for the Rout come out. 13th !!! Although that Angron will look great on my shelf <_< ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Just saw all the awsome new mini from FW and those axes look awsome same with the terminators. Must get me some of those Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 If Russ detaches from his diorama, I am going to get two TWC models without saddles or riders to be his Wolves...hahaha. As for Long Fangs, I just do not think that we have had the time to truly have true Long Fangs by the time the heresy comes around. The only truly old Wolves we see are Terran Wolves and even then they are said to be practically all gone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3182853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I have a feeling we might see Prospero as the second book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3183005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 I have a feeling we might see Prospero as the second book. I personally dont think we will because there are so many Legions to cover with the drop site. In retrospect, Prospero would be considered one of many other incidents across the galaxy that were part of the heresy that could be considered minor and could be gathered in one book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3183266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 If Russ detaches from his diorama, I am going to get two TWC models without saddles or riders to be his Wolves...hahaha. As for Long Fangs, I just do not think that we have had the time to truly have true Long Fangs by the time the heresy comes around. The only truly old Wolves we see are Terran Wolves and even then they are said to be practically all gone. Yea that sounds like something I would want. I can't wait to see Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261485-the-horus-heresy-and-the-rout/#findComment-3183283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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