jeremy1391 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Ok so I plan on spending oodles on the HH stuff oonce the fists get covered, and I love terminators..... I plan on running a defenders of Terra army full on siege defense with Lots of big guns and static defense type troops and of course terminators.... However which would be better to run Cataphracts or Tartoros???? The cataphracts scream HH but since the fists did the raid on mars and got a bunch of armor and weapons and in the 31st millenium newer was better as opposed to the 41st millenium where older is better.... So which would you envision defending the walls? Cataphracts or Tartoros??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 In my minds eye, I can't envision Fists using Cataphract Termies. Tartaros Termies seem much more their bag, imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 That is what I was thinking as well... Cataphract armor while cool looks very cumbersome compared to tartoros. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 In my minds eye, I can't envision Fists using Cataphract Termies. Tartaros Termies seem much more their bag, imho. I don't quite understand this comment. It looks big and tough and implacable. Very Fisty I would think. Also, Do we have a fluff reference for Tartoros and it being available during the heresy/pre heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Tartaros was contemporary with Mk. IV armour, so it should have been around at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodshipalbion Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 see what forgeworld come out with next as the blurb for the cataphract armour mentions other types...saturnine? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 According to forge world it was field at the end of the great crusade, which would be around the start of the heresy/ age of darkness. So I am sure the forges of mars would have had some on hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 In my minds eye, I can't envision Fists using Cataphract Termies. Tartaros Termies seem much more their bag, imho. I don't quite understand this comment. It looks big and tough and implacable. Very Fisty I would think. It's a personal thing. To me, Tartaros Termies have the aesthetics that fit very well with my perception of Imperial Fists whereas Cataphracts do not. That's not to say they didn't have any, nor that others shouldn't use Cataphracti for their Fists - It's just my aesthetics taste I am providing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I personally prefer the standard Indomitable look, to be honest. I don't see why some companies would not be equipped with it, after all, all the Traitors use it as the basis for their Termie units :P As for the other two, I would take Cataphract. It looks better than mini-Contemptors :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reckoning Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I personally prefer Indomitable over either the Tartaros or Cataphractii mks. That being said, I really cant stand Tart armor so I would suggest Cat armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 My vote is overwhelmingly Cat. I just love it so.To me they are iconic for every legionary or custodian force at the time. (Yes, I'm heavily influenced by the wonderful artbooks). If I go forward with a Consecrator project I'd love to use all three. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I have to agree with Olis, for nigh-indestructible power armor, Cataphracti plate seems too.... ornamental. I know all of the Legions have examples of artificed armor, but the Cataphracti Terminators seem much more in the vein of the Blood Angels, Ultramarines, or Emperor's Children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I'm waiting to see what's next! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Actually it might be more than a question of aesthetics... In the recent WD there is a picture of the Tartaros with a caption saying "they are famous for their mobility". So when I asked around whether this implied a different treatment in the rules I got this interesting answer: Alan said that his rough idea was 2+ 6++ with sweep for tartaros, 2+ 4++ with slow & purposeful for cataphractii (from memory) this was at the open day & was in the same convesation that had "next update for the caestus will have ceramite plating as an upgrade" if this comes to pass it would make tartaros the hammer choice & cataphract the shooty choice imho with indomitus being a nice middle ground Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3182849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I like both, however am anooyed that the cat armour set looks like it does not come with the weapons/hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3183016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 When I think of Great Crusade/Heresy era TDA, the first thing that comes to mind is cataphract. Everything about it just screams 30k/40k. I'd go with that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3183132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestat Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I've ordered the Tartaros termies as they come with the weapons and look more modern than the Cataphracti which works for my Imperial Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3183156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 as the legions of the HH have a general, vague greek/roman feel to them, i would got cataphracti, since they match that theme and i think it fits the fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3183622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I say Cataphract, but then I'm an old skool BIG heresy guy. The Tartaros write-up says it shares many systems with the MkIV. That means it would have had the same supply problems as the MkIV. That may have been alleviated by their close proximity to Mars, assuming they spent 3/7 years sitting polishing their armour whilst a trillion souls and a thousand worlds burned in the traitors march to Terra.. but personally I don't like that idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3183835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 So I think if the rumors of cataphractis gettin 2+ 4++ and S&P then I will run them.... fits with the fists theme basically the whole "immovable Object" premise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Yeah, it looks like the Justerin (sp?) have yet another type of Termie armour - see bottom of the picture: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 The Justarien terminators were a signature unit of the sons of Horus... So I do not see them fitting into an Imperial fists army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I have to agree with Olis, for nigh-indestructible power armor, Cataphracti plate seems too.... ornamental. For a chapter/legion who go into combat wearing bright yellow armour and have been known to respond to adversity by having every man affix back banners, there is no such thing as too ornamental. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorns Templar Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Justaerin Terminator squads are equipped with Cataphractii Terminator Armour, they are just covered in Sons of Horus Legion symbols. The Cataphractii are 2+/4++ and slow and purposeful. I'd say they would suit the Imperial Fists greatly. It still boils down to personal taste though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 From the looks of it, you may see legion specific Fists terminator armor if FW keeps up with this pace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261523-cataphracti-or-tartoros/#findComment-3184285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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