Cataphracti or Tartoros?

[Captain Semper]

Justaerin Terminator squads are equipped with Cataphractii Terminator Armour, they are just covered in Sons of Horus Legion symbols.

 

The Cataphractii are 2+/4++ and slow and purposeful. I'd say they would suit the Imperial Fists greatly. It still boils down to personal taste though.

 

You maybe right and it's just cosmetic differences but those guys seem to have a Mk4-ish helmet vs. a more like Mk2 of the other cataphratcii...

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Yadrinas/GDUK%202012/IMG00128-20120923-1130_zps432cf8a1.jpg

 

 

The pic comes from Yardinas thread here

[Corvinvs]

I prefer Tartaros termi only by aestetic reason. It looks better for my RavenGuard then huge and slow Catafracti. And yes, I like that Tartaros looks like mini Contemptor :) But, I think, if FW set 2++/4++ for Catafracti, then we will see hordes of this type and few others.

[Rik Lightstar]

From squinting at a picture of the first Heresy book:

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

 

Basically, Tartaros will be the Hammernators of choice, Cataphracti best for Ranged weapons.

 

Rik

[EPK]

The pic comes from Yardinas thread here

 

Some amazing things in that thread. It appears you are right though, the Justaerins have a hybrid suit of sorts. At least as far as the helmets go. If I had to guess, I'd say they are basically modified Tartaros pattern helmets with top knots. Seems fair that Justaerins would want the improved (I'm guessing) helmet capabilities of the Tartaros but want to keep their hulking Cataphracti armor.

 

I'm curious though, will these patterns make their way into normal 40K play? Or simply reserved for 30K? I wouldn't mind a squad of TH/SS Tartaros for my Deathwing.

[Corvinvs]

I'm curious though, will these patterns make their way into normal 40K play? Or simply reserved for 30K? I wouldn't mind a squad of TH/SS Tartaros for my Deathwing.

 

Of course you can use the models in regulat 40K games, but using the rules for standard terminators. All differences between termi armour pattern are available only in 30K rule-set.

[Lorenzen]

dunno what book you are squinting at because mine only lists 2 kinds of armour with rules,

 

your post is almost an exact duplicate of a rumour i put up based on alan blighs musings at the open day.

 

quote time "indomitus, tartaros & saturnine patterns, most of which were functionally identical"

page 237 under termie armour great crusade eras wargear entry

[Dorns Templar]

Lorenzen is correct in that quote, and also: Page 196, Legion Terminator Squad - any unit may exchange it's terminator armour for Cataphractii pattern armour for free. So it's either the other suits (tartaros, indomitus, saturnine) or Cataphractii.

 

Justaerin terminator squads come equipped with Cataphractii armour, page 245, and there is no option to change.

 

Oh, and there aren't any storm shields for terminator squads. Thunder Hammers in place of its power weapon, but no shields!

[EPK]

Oh, and there aren't any storm shields for terminator squads. Thunder Hammers in place of its power weapon, but no shields!

 

Seems odd considering the FW weapons pack for the Tartaros pattern suits - but maybe they simply through that in for people who wanted to use them in regular 40K games.

 

Also, so does Cataphracti actually have different rules from the other suits?

[Inquisitor Engel]

I personally thing the Cataphracti suits are rather... meh. They fall into the same point of 'meh-ness' for me as MKII armour (at least before the re-sculpt) a lot of their edges look too soft, they look too stocky, even for Terminators and they lack the Aquila the Imperial Fists would have been sporting by the time of the Siege of Terra. They're not my favorite, really. I do like their arms though, but the bodies...

[Dorns Templar]

EPK - The standard terminator armour is 2+/5++ relentless, and the Cataphractii are 2+/4++ slow and purposeful.

[EPK]

Thanks for the info.

 

Terminators that can sweeping advance did just seem like wishful thinking.

 

Side note, If they can't sweeping advance they should be able to at least snapfire into the backs of the cowards retreating, Hehe.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I like both, but it is the lack of weapons and hands in the Cataphacti box that kills them for me, which is a shame as apart from that I love them and am wishing I had not converted my Rubric terminators, though depending on the options of the new codex I am thinking of making an honour guard of sorts for my sorcerers and Ahriman, and if did it in Terminator armour, I'd either go for Cataphracti or tartaros, or even scareb occult if they eventually do them.

Is every legion going to get special terminators, or is it just going to be named ones such as the Justerairian, Morlocks, Scareb occult ect?

[mysteriousmaskedmystery]

i would think just the named ones, it would sure be nice if people who had the book would like, i don't know, share some of what's in it... wouldn't it?

[Kol Saresk]

i would think just the named ones, it would sure be nice if people who had the book would like, i don't know, share some of what's in it... wouldn't it?

No, that'd be pure blasphemy if someone actually shared info.

 

I would say both and neither. Named ones will come out as special, named models and the not-named ones will just come out as the "Legion-specific" minis with no name. At least, that's how I would do it.

[Legatus]

"The weaponry used by Terminator squads was very different during the Heresy as tactical Dreadnought armour was still under development at that time. Only after centuries more warfare did Terminators emerge armed with the Assault cannon, storm bolters, Cyclone missile launchers and

Thunder Hammers

which became their hallmark within the Imperium."

(2nd Edition Codex Chaos, p. 72)

I guess that is gone then. Or maybe someone forget to mention that to the Forgeworld guys. The complete lack of thunder hammers for Chaos Marines was a glaring clue, though.

[Marshal Rohr]

Rumor has it there are hammers for chaos in the new dex.

[EPK]

You can consider that a recton I suppose - there is already instances in BL literature where marines carry hammers - notably Eidolon... or at least we are left to assume it is a thunder hammer or some form of proto-thunder hammer.

[Cleanse And Purify]

"The weaponry used by Terminator squads was very different during the Heresy as tactical Dreadnought armour was still under development at that time. Only after centuries more warfare did Terminators emerge armed with the Assault cannon, storm bolters, Cyclone missile launchers and

Thunder Hammers

which became their hallmark within the Imperium."

(2nd Edition Codex Chaos, p. 72)

I guess that is gone then. Or maybe someone forget to mention that to the Forgeworld guys. The complete lack of thunder hammers for Chaos Marines was a glaring clue, though.

 

That was already countermanded though. Lord Commander Eidolon wields a thunder hammer in the HH series, and I believe it may be mentioned elsewhere, though on that I am less certain.

[Brother Captain Kezef]

i would think just the named ones, it would sure be nice if people who had the book would like, i don't know, share some of what's in it... wouldn't it?

No, that'd be pure blasphemy if someone actually shared info.

 

I would say both and neither. Named ones will come out as special, named models and the not-named ones will just come out as the "Legion-specific" minis with no name. At least, that's how I would do it.

 

Sons of Horus: Justaerin Termies (various wargear options like normal termies)

Death Guard: Deathshroud Termies (each has handflamer and Manreaper. Hand famer has rending and gets hot, Reaper is S+1 AP2)

Wolrdeaters: Rampagers (power armoured berzerkers with gladiatorial weapon options, they have FNP and furious charge)

Emperor's children: Palatine blades: Special duelists with sabrs and +1 init

 

Phoenix guard are mentioned in the book but no sign of special rules or models.

 

31st Millenium Astartes know fear, they have special rules such as being able to regroup etc, but the only legion in the first book that is immune to fear are the Death Guard.

 

Horus doesn't have the best statline, which is a nice surprise, he has allot of special rules but Angron has better WS, Fulgrim has better init and Mortarion has better T and wounds.

[Corvinvs]

Horus doesn't have the best statline, which is a nice surprise, he has allot of special rules but Angron has better WS, Fulgrim has better init and Mortarion has better T and wounds.

 

This is not surprise personaly for me. I think FW made a realy good work for realise beckground info in the rules. By background tradition Horus wasn't best in all area - some primarchs were better fighter, better wisard etc., but Horus war best in summary of characteristics.

[mysteriousmaskedmystery]

is it true that legionary squads can't have special weapons? like, just 10-20 bolter toting marines? or do they have upgrades?

 

what is fury of the legion?

 

what are the legion specific characteristics? and are you saying ATSKNF is different or replaced by something else?

[Kol Saresk]

i would think just the named ones, it would sure be nice if people who had the book would like, i don't know, share some of what's in it... wouldn't it?

No, that'd be pure blasphemy if someone actually shared info.

 

I would say both and neither. Named ones will come out as special, named models and the not-named ones will just come out as the "Legion-specific" minis with no name. At least, that's how I would do it.

 

Sons of Horus: Justaerin Termies (various wargear options like normal termies)

Death Guard: Deathshroud Termies (each has handflamer and Manreaper. Hand famer has rending and gets hot, Reaper is S+1 AP2)

Wolrdeaters: Rampagers (power armoured berzerkers with gladiatorial weapon options, they have FNP and furious charge)

Emperor's children: Palatine blades: Special duelists with sabrs and +1 init

 

Phoenix guard are mentioned in the book but no sign of special rules or models.

 

31st Millenium Astartes know fear, they have special rules such as being able to regroup etc, but the only legion in the first book that is immune to fear are the Death Guard.

 

Horus doesn't have the best statline, which is a nice surprise, he has allot of special rules but Angron has better WS, Fulgrim has better init and Mortarion has better T and wounds.

Where do we see the Rampagers? Or is Forgeworld trying to play fluff-writer again?

[Brother Captain Kezef]

i would think just the named ones, it would sure be nice if people who had the book would like, i don't know, share some of what's in it... wouldn't it?

No, that'd be pure blasphemy if someone actually shared info.

 

I would say both and neither. Named ones will come out as special, named models and the not-named ones will just come out as the "Legion-specific" minis with no name. At least, that's how I would do it.

 

Sons of Horus: Justaerin Termies (various wargear options like normal termies)

Death Guard: Deathshroud Termies (each has handflamer and Manreaper. Hand famer has rending and gets hot, Reaper is S+1 AP2)

Wolrdeaters: Rampagers (power armoured berzerkers with gladiatorial weapon options, they have FNP and furious charge)

Emperor's children: Palatine blades: Special duelists with sabrs and +1 init

 

Phoenix guard are mentioned in the book but no sign of special rules or models.

 

31st Millenium Astartes know fear, they have special rules such as being able to regroup etc, but the only legion in the first book that is immune to fear are the Death Guard.

 

Horus doesn't have the best statline, which is a nice surprise, he has allot of special rules but Angron has better WS, Fulgrim has better init and Mortarion has better T and wounds.

Where do we see the Rampagers? Or is Forgeworld trying to play fluff-writer again?

 

Rampagers are the most brutal, savage and bloodthirsty of the Worldeaters, each has had the butcher's nails and they wield speical weapons based on the gladiatorial kit Angron used to have.

[Cyrox]

Has anyone else noticed that the Cataprachtii are available with Power Axes, but the actual models are chainaxes?

 

However, in the HH book there is no option to take Chainaxes for Terminators, not even for World Eaters, so they must be treated as Power Axes, yet the models on the tabletop have Chainaxes

 

I can see that causing some confusion

[Legatus]

Chaos Terminators have had chainaxes that counted as powerweapons throughout 3rd and 4th Edition, with only the plastic Chaos Terminators released during late 4th no longer being equipped with chainaxes.