Brother Ambroz Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Anyone else notice the thunder hammer in the leaked weapons page?!? Wonder what that could mean.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Anyone else notice the thunder hammer in the leaked weapons page?!? Wonder what that could mean.... Running theory is that it, along with the scourge, are dreadnought only options there as call outs to the old metal model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 My guess is that Assault Cannons were added to Obliterators, and the Thunder Hammers are going to be a Mutilator thing. But it's just a guess. What Malisteen said makes sense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Repeating in a more appropriate thread: If it was for a dread though shouldn't it be a seismic hammer? Edit: Nah Max the mutilator page has been linked, no thunder hammers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Repeating in a more appropriate thread: If it was for a dread though shouldn't it be a seismic hammer? I would say yes. But I am neither GW nor the rumor mill so anything goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Nah Max the mutilator page has been linked, no thunder hammers there. Well, poop. I was already conjuring up images of Chaos Terminators dual-wielding Thunder Hammers and Power Axes as a modeling adventure. :down: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm pretty sure the power Scourge and Thunder hammer are upgrades for the Hellbrute only. We lost the name of our dreads, but we finally get our special close combat weapons back. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Regarding the heldrake, i may have a solution model wise. The problem with the model is that bare for his head, the rets of the mini looks more like a bird of prey then a dragon. So why not make him look more like a real dragon. Those are bad paint-fu montage, but the general idea is there. http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2553/46785762.jpg http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/2321/0158u.jpg Personnaly, i think its way better, its a bit farther then the flying wing, or mutated and possesed Hellblade that Jes made, but i like it better this way. With proper red and gold paint, and chains+ skulls and Khorne icons, it will be a Perfect Blood Dragon of Khorne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Dunno, I think as well that the heldrake is a good concept, badly executed - but in the same way I like how the head and the body doesn't match nicely, it helps to give an inorganic, disturbing feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 You know, I like this conversion idea, it would make him a Dragon indeed. What I do have to mention is that the name defines it as a (Hell)drake. Difference between a drake and a dragon (as per MtG/fantasy logic): - Drake http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/511_snappingdrake.jpg - Dragon http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/556_6k1exrvuh3_art.jpg Hope you see the difference here, it's in the seperate arms. A Dragon actually has more defined arms, wings and legs as oppossed to the Drake who has hands growing out of his wings and legs. Now this isn't MtG offcourse but it is a general difference between the draconic creatures fantasy style stories have used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Goes into full-neckbeard mode: A winged dragon lacking in fore-arms is a wyvern. Don't believe everything put out by Wizards. They will have you believe that a cockatrice and a basilisk are different creatures. :lol: Seriously, though, I think a rotten Nurgle Helldrake with some terrorgheist bits would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Goes into full-neckbeard mode: A winged dragon lacking in fore-arms is a wyvern. Don't believe everything put out by Wizards. They will have you believe that a cockatrice and a basilisk are different creatures. :P True, but than again a Drake is a Wyvern / a Wyvern is a Drake in that aspect.... The only thing I wanted to say is that an armless dragon/ Helldrake is not technically a wrong looking Dragon :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've done some thinking about it, and I might kit-bash a Valkyrie with a Storm Talon. Dark Gods of the Warp help me, I might do it tonight. EDIT: speaking of the Heldrake, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've done some thinking about it, and I might kit-bash a Valkyrie with a Storm Talon. Dark Gods of the Warp help me, I might do it tonight. EDIT: speaking of the Heldrake, of course. Please do it. Listen to the voices. Then post pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 True, but than again a Drake is a Wyvern / a Wyvern is a Drake in that aspect.... The only thing I wanted to say is that an armless dragon/ Helldrake is not technically a wrong looking Dragon :) Pretty sure GW uses the terms Dragon and Drake interchangeably in fantasy whereas they define the Wyvern (although a cousin) as something else altogether. I know its fantasy but its still the same company and they do apply alot of fantasy stuff to 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've done some thinking about it, and I might kit-bash a Valkyrie with a Storm Talon. Dark Gods of the Warp help me, I might do it tonight. EDIT: speaking of the Heldrake, of course. Please do it. Listen to the voices. Then post pics. Did some mock-ups in Photoshop. Kit-bashing with a Valkyrie ends up with one of the same problems that the original model does, which is a large, uninteresting rear-end. Then I thought about the wings from a Storm Raven added to a Storm Talon to make it a Mega Storm Talon: I think I like this. Which means I will have to bits order the Storm Raven wings, so it won't be completed tonight. But that's OK, because I have actual house chores I should be doing instead of hiding in my Dark Mechanicus Forge laboring over my mad designs. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 That looks like it would own. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Having just finally picked up a copy of the wd, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but the helldrake has 4 legs, two front facing, two barely visible at the back of the wings. I have to admit, seeing it in the wd, I'm more sold on the model, seeing in my mind how it would look in alpha legion colours, which is a shame as its a) too expensive and :) a bit crap (for its point cost) if its rules are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Having just finally picked up a copy of the wd, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but the helldrake has 4 legs, two front facing, two barely visible at the back of the wings. I have to admit, seeing it in the wd, I'm more sold on the model, seeing in my mind how it would look in alpha legion colours, which is a shame as its a) too expensive and :) a bit crap (for its point cost) if its rules are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 It's good to point it out hornywingythingy. I also am a fan of the Heldrake, still think the Fiends are way to static, considering their size. Not it all can be fixed with a bit of conversion work, the Hellbrutes here that are converted look fantastic to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Its currently distracting me at work (it doesn't take much) sitting in my desk drawer, on the back page of the wd, looking cool. Btw, as an aside, slightly off topic, the new wd is amazing! Much better quality photos and painting guides being back..... Yeah, I'm not convinced, especially not by the forge fiend. Its quite telling that csm get trounced by white scars in the battle report, though matching Andrew Kendrick vs Adam troke was a tad harsh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallistus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The new White Dwarf is actually pretty well done all around, but as soon as I saw the army that the chaos player fielded I figured he would lose. Putting all the marines in on giant 20 man squad seems like a bad idea to me. Also I like the idea of the fiend with 3 plasma cannons, but I will end with at least one getting hot every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feste Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The new White Dwarf is actually pretty well done all around, but as soon as I saw the army that the chaos player fielded I figured he would lose. Putting all the marines in on giant 20 man squad seems like a bad idea to me. Also I like the idea of the fiend with 3 plasma cannons, but I will end with at least one getting hot every turn. Well, reading the Battle Report it seemed to me that a large part of the army composition was based on looking at specific aspects of the army; in this case one of them was hordes and a 20-man squad fits into that quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The new White Dwarf is actually pretty well done all around, but as soon as I saw the army that the chaos player fielded I figured he would lose. Putting all the marines in on giant 20 man squad seems like a bad idea to me. Also I like the idea of the fiend with 3 plasma cannons, but I will end with at least one getting hot every turn. Consider the WD guys are forced to use the minis the studio painted; that limits the number of lists they can play. Anyway it's clear he made some tactical mistakes. The equipement of the Chaos Lord it's a clear example. For the records, if you suffer a "gets hot" you can still shoot with the two other weapons (unless I forgot about something). You will regain a hull point with a 5+ roll for It will not die and you can use a warpsmith to repair a hull point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The new White Dwarf is actually pretty well done all around, but as soon as I saw the army that the chaos player fielded I figured he would lose. Putting all the marines in on giant 20 man squad seems like a bad idea to me. Also I like the idea of the fiend with 3 plasma cannons, but I will end with at least one getting hot every turn. Well, reading the Battle Report it seemed to me that a large part of the army composition was based on looking at specific aspects of the army; in this case one of them was hordes and a 20-man squad fits into that quite well. But wasn`t it refreshing how well done the Battle report was in terms of how they explained what they actually did, and why they did it? Also, I find it immensly refreshing that the Chaos Player did not win by a massacre result. Earlier when WD show cased new armies they manipulated BRs (seemed like it anyway) untill the army with the recent releases won. No more it seems (thank the dark gods). The space marine army won partly in that BR because it was a real composed army, while the chaos player obliged to show readers some of the new units and rules, so took a list that was pretty much all over the place. it was a good read. It felt like an actual magazine. If the next releases are going to equal it, it HAS become a real magazine at last. Honestly I have not read a WD worth the money since the 90s. This time it was worth the money, and it sincerly gives me some hope for the new WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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