Killax Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Thanks for the info! I wanted to have a base cost offcourse but am really happy with the added Berserkers for 15 points. I like this, a lot. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Thanks for the info! I wanted to have a base cost offcourse but am really happy with the added Berserkers for 15 points. I like this, a lot. Cheers, 17 points if you equip them with chainaxes and 18 points if you want Veterans of the Long War as well (which is really good only if you face marines, but then it would be pretty, pretty awesome on zerkers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Thanks for the info! I wanted to have a base cost offcourse but am really happy with the added Berserkers for 15 points. I like this, a lot. Cheers, 17 points if you equip them with chainaxes and 18 points if you want Veterans of the Long War as well (which is really good only if you face marines, but then it would be pretty, pretty awesome on zerkers) I am not a huge fan of the chain axes, but if they can be upgraded to veterans without them, I am all in for that. Just ask yourself, when WONT you face marines. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Thanks for the info! I wanted to have a base cost offcourse but am really happy with the added Berserkers for 15 points. I like this, a lot. Cheers, 17 points if you equip them with chainaxes and 18 points if you want Veterans of the Long War as well (which is really good only if you face marines, but then it would be pretty, pretty awesome on zerkers) I am not a huge fan of the chain axes, but if they can be upgraded to veterans without them, I am all in for that. Cheers, They can. Naked 15. Veterans +1, chainaxes +2 Skull champ can take wargear stuff and also, if you wish, pay 10 point to roll on the funny table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 It's not just that bikes are usable. According Faeit, they can have steeds. Outflanking Seeker Marines, Juggermarines. All nice. Not sure about the Nurgle guys though. That would just be weird. Really, really weird. Before people get their hopes up, I just have to point out that tecnically, that might not be what Faeit said. He said chaos Bikes70pts for 2 plus champ then 20 each not sure where this goes...... there are god specific steeds than give different bonuses e.g. +2 wounds, +1 attack for Nurgle one Now read that again, and put a bit extra emphasis on the not sure where this goes...... and see those dreams of juggerzerkers fly away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Bloody perfect! Now lets get some Matt-Hammer in here: Previous was wrong! Ws 5! 8 'Zerks 4 attacks = 32 attack. 2/3 hits vs marines = 21,33 hit. re-roll 10,66 = 7,10 hit. Total hits rounded down : 28 S 5 vs T 4 = 18,66 wound. = 6-ish marines dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Doesn't change the fact that bikers are finally useable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 It's not just that bikes are usable. According Faeit, they can have steeds. Outflanking Seeker Marines, Juggermarines. All nice. Not sure about the Nurgle guys though. That would just be weird. Really, really weird. Before people get their hopes up, I just have to point out that tecnically, that might not be what Faeit said. He said chaos Bikes70pts for 2 plus champ then 20 each not sure where this goes...... there are god specific steeds than give different bonuses e.g. +2 wounds, +1 attack for Nurgle one Now read that again, and put a bit extra emphasis on the not sure where this goes...... and see those dreams of juggerzerkers fly away.... hmm? I dont think anyone seriously thinks that you can have a daemonic steed along with bikes, as that makes no sense. The point, Todtgeboren, is that bikes are now very cheap! forget daemonic steeds in connection to them B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Doesn't change the fact that bikers are finally useable.... Indeed, which was my point in the first place ;) I for one dont believe that cavalry type units can join Bike type units, so that is probably nonsense. But the point is that bikes are 70 points for 2 Bikers and 1 biker champion and then 20 points for more.How is that not great? We can give them marks as well after all, and if we`d like we can make them veterans with Hatred marines. Lots of options. I also happen to suspect that biker camp can pay 10 points for roll on the funny table as well (seriosuly, while not cost efficient, how is that table not fun? B) ) For easy reference (I am holding the old gav de in my hands to compare: Thorpe-Bike = 33 points and has 1 more LD. Kelly-Bike is one less LD, maybe lacks extra CC (which you undoubtly must may buy for 2-3 points if so is the case) but costs 20 points. Hmm, I would rather want to ride a Kelly-Bike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 hmm? I dont think anyone seriously thinks that you can have a daemonic steed along with bikes, as that makes no sense. The point, Todtgeboren, is that bikes are now very cheap! forget daemonic steeds in connection to them B) Well, it did seem like Feste thought that you could change/upgrade your bikes to steeds, as the the way Faeit presented the part about bikes made it seem that way at first glance. But yeah, bikes for 20 pts each, that is good news! I personally don't like the models, and am hoping for the basic raptors to be a bit cheaper and/or more useful, as I really dig assault marines, but they have had a hard time comparing to basic CSM in a rhino. Same points for a squad, about the same speed, but not scoring and no bolter. Now in 6ed, if they have gone down in points, they will have alot going for them suddenly. So we have both bikes, raptors and that godaweful dragon in FA (the dragon is FA right?) Quite the improvement over... well, every earlier codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmCjkh Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Bloody perfect! Now lets get some Matt-Hammer in here: 8 'Zerks, 4 attacks on the charge = 32 attacks /2 (16 hits). Re-roll 16 /2 (8 hits). 24 hits, S5, 2/3 wounds (16 wounds). 2/3 saved = 5,33 marine dead on charge. If I recall correctly berzerkers keep WS5, so they're hitting even more than that and that's more like 6.32 dead marines on the charge B) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Bloody perfect! Now lets get some Matt-Hammer in here: 8 'Zerks, 4 attacks on the charge = 32 attacks /2 (16 hits). Re-roll 16 /2 (8 hits). 24 hits, S5, 2/3 wounds (16 wounds). 2/3 saved = 5,33 marine dead on charge. If I recall correctly berzerkers keep WS5, so they're hitting even more than that and that's more like 6.32 dead marines on the charge B) . Yep! I made the correction allready, rounded down, that's 6 dead. Carve the number of Slaanesh in death Marines... wait a minute... WAIT A MINUTE.... NOOOO ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 hmm? I dont think anyone seriously thinks that you can have a daemonic steed along with bikes, as that makes no sense. The point, Todtgeboren, is that bikes are now very cheap! forget daemonic steeds in connection to them B) Well, it did seem like Feste thought that you could change/upgrade your bikes to steeds, as the the way Faeit presented the part about bikes made it seem that way at first glance. But yeah, bikes for 20 pts each, that is good news! I personally don't like the models, and am hoping for the basic raptors to be a bit cheaper and/or more useful, as I really dig assault marines, but they have had a hard time comparing to basic CSM in a rhino. Same points for a squad, about the same speed, but not scoring and no bolter. Now in 6ed, if they have gone down in points, they will have alot going for them suddenly. So we have both bikes, raptors and that godaweful dragon in FA (the dragon is FA right?) Quite the improvement over... well, every earlier codex. People on the blogs claim raptors are 17 points as naked, but I dont know that 100% since I have not seen the scan. But people did go through the book on Gamesday, so its probably correct, though should be taken with a minor grain of salt. Havocs can take skyfire missile launchers, though that costs an extra 10 points on top of the basic cost on M launcher, but at least you DO keep the frag and krak ammo. Not related to F attack that, but maybe some didnt know the part about havocs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Havocs can take skyfire missile launchers, though that costs an extra 10 points on top of the basic cost on M launcher, but at least you DO keep the frag and krak ammo. Not related to F attack that, but maybe some didnt know the part about havocs I think you should thake Helldrakes nontheless, not much can beat that even with bs 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Havocs can take skyfire missile launchers, though that costs an extra 10 points on top of the basic cost on M launcher, but at least you DO keep the frag and krak ammo. Not related to F attack that, but maybe some didnt know the part about havocs I think you should thake Helldrakes nontheless, not much can beat that even with bs 3. Havocs are going to be very cheap though. 75 for champ + 4 marines and + 13 for additional marines, and then extra for stuff, most of which you won`t need on havocs anyway. Champ can take some wargear stuff that I guess is combi weapons and such. Also, I suspect the torrent STR 6 AP3 flamer is going to be a better choice than the single Hades, though not sure. Still yeah, not actually bad for 170 points I guess. The reasons why people are not shouting with joy is mostly due to the fact that we had some rather sexy rumours of it having two Hades instead of the single one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Wonder how much MLs will cost on our havocs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Here's a question for anyone who's been keeping track more than I have - do Chaos characters have to roll on the Boon table after they krump an enemy character in a challenge? Seems like there's times where you just won't wanna take the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Wonder how much MLs will cost on our havocs... I think its 10 points and then 10 points extra for skyfire. Pretty sure of that. Here's a question for anyone who's been keeping track more than I have - do Chaos characters have to roll on the Boon table after they krump an enemy character in a challenge? Seems like there's times where you just won't wanna take the risk. I sincerly think they do. I have certainly not heard that they don`t. I immagine that its the will of the fickle and gods, and that we just have to go with the flow and try to make the best out of challenges, even though it will be random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda_ Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Wonder how much MLs will cost on our havocs... Autocanons havocks have a fairly good chances to damage fliers (but their not specialised, only through volume of fire). If we can have 3 autocanons + 1 flak/krak/frak missile, that could help mitigating the costs. But it's too early to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 For easy reference (I am holding the old gav de in my hands to compare: Thorpe-Bike = 33 points and has 1 more LD. Kelly-Bike is one less LD, maybe lacks extra CC (which you undoubtly must may buy for 2-3 points if so is the case) but costs 20 points. Hmm, I would rather want to ride a Kelly-Bike! If that's true and bikers lost CCW, but can buy it like regular CSM, they would be awesome. I always wanted a squad of bikers, and now it looks like a good option. 20 per biker +2 MoK +2 CCW +1 veteran is 25pts, same as most loyalist bikers, but even better. Also, thay have impact hits and can buy an Icon, their charge could be nasty! It looks like chaos gets decent FA options - cheaper bikers and raptors (i hope they still can take special weapons, and not replace their CCW for it) and new warp talons. Nothing as cheesy as Thunderwolf cavalry or fast predators, but still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmCjkh Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I have to say I'm pretty excited about our renovated bikes at 20ppm. I imagine the bikes will have to play +2pts for an additional CCW, but with combi-bolters bikes gain a 33% increase in firepower over Nurgle marked CSM (16ppm) with only a 25% increase in price, quite a bargain! And if we're talking about firepower from special weapons, bikes have always had at least 2 special weapons per squad, more than any normal sized CSM squad. While they lose being a scoring unit they get bike movement, hammer of wrath, jink, and relentless. I'm imagining using cheap bikers to bring a lot of fast moving, tough, decently hard hitting models that might not be as sexy as warp talons, cult troops, etc but have bodies and staying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffeineated Chaos Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 No pics, but here are some links to pics that were running rounds on the internet last night: http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348423077561.jpg http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348423183858.jpg http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348423134368.jpg (this one is Abby btw) http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348423039726.jpg Bottom of page on last link, it mentions thunder hammers o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I think it's just for the hellbrutes/dreads. Remember that our old metal Chaos Dread comes with a power claw, a power scourge and a thunder hammer. I really like that my dread with a power flail and a chainfist will now have something extra. Either S10 or S8 and reduce enemy attacks. Awesome. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I reckon it sucks that Sorcerers are only 2W means only way to keep him alive longer is to give him palaquin (if he can still take it) or get super lucky and roll the extra wound on the new chaos boon chart does anyone know if it is only lords who make cult troops (mainly plague marines) a troop choice as I will be annoyed if sorcerers can't as I don't really like Lords, hopefully we have a large selection of cool chaos wargear that we can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I'm glad I converted Thousand son bikers now, depending on the cost of a bike I may have to convert a sorcerer on one, may help him suvive longer and get him into a better position to use his spells. I'm liking how fast attack looks to have gone from okay to interesting, and that we can now get units for less then 100pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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