skeletoro Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I really like the look of the new forgeworld Cataphractii termies. Do you think they'd look out of place in a contemporary wolves army? They have a slightly more roman look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I'd say more of a 13th Company look myself. But hey, it's your army and they are Bad azz models! I say find a way to make them work.. I sure as hell will when I do my 13th :) ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 They would just look just fine. For me, I'd reserve it for the Wolf Lord, or one pack in a logan wing army. BUT there's no reason a WL could not find a large cache somewhere or killed off some traitor legionaries and confiscated their armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Hey, nice, that pic even has the studded leather stuff. Just a few added runes, teeth and pelt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 One odd thing is that they don't seem able to decide if those axes are chain axes or power axes. Some of the captions say chain, some say power. I guess you could shave the wires off and call it a chain axe (might even look nice on some grey hunters for variation) or else paint it apropriately and call it a power axe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would go Cata for the Wolf Lord anf his retinue, regular for the rest of the WGTDA. That would really make them stand out and set them apart as being especially ornate and sppppeshul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 Do those helmest look sculpted in? It would be nice to be able to add one or two wolfy looking heads without too much work (especially with a converted wolf lord!) Is there a Mk of power armor that naturally matches the Cataphractii terminator armor? It would be interesting to do up a mixed retinue. I'm leaning towards either Mk II or Mk III as being the closest match. a squad of Cataphractii and a Mk III command squad would fit inside a Crusader pretty nicely. Is that a bit anachronistic? I guess you can always explain it away as Ragnarok did - an old cache discovery <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 One odd thing is that they don't seem able to decide if those axes are chain axes or power axes. Some of the captions say chain, some say power. I guess you could shave the wires off and call it a chain axe (might even look nice on some grey hunters for variation) or else paint it apropriately and call it a power axe. If you're using them on Wolf guard just use em as frost axes....you're covered either way and have a much better wep that way :huh: ~BtW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would go Cata for the Wolf Lord anf his retinue, regular for the rest of the WGTDA. That would really make them stand out and set them apart as being especially ornate and sppppeshul. Yea that's what I'll be doing for mine for sure ill use cata for my wolf lords retinue and him self. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I would get a few for the Wolf Guard in my IH army - the heads just scream 'Old School' Cylon to me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 One odd thing is that they don't seem able to decide if those axes are chain axes or power axes. Some of the captions say chain, some say power. I guess you could shave the wires off and call it a chain axe (might even look nice on some grey hunters for variation) or else paint it apropriately and call it a power axe. If you're using them on Wolf guard just use em as frost axes....you're covered either way and have a much better wep that way ;) ~BtW As much as I'd love to equip them with frost axes, it seems to be the worst choice, game-mechanics wise. Which makes me sad :P EDIT: Actually, a frost axe on some of the Mk III power armor guys might be worthwhile. That way you get the +1 attack. Could potentially every go sword + axe (one or both power weapon rather than frost to save on points). Might be a nice loadout to go with wolf claw cataphratii in a crusader. I'm dying to pull out the clear plastic and water effects and try my hand at modeling some actual ice on a frost axe :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Yeah I definitely like the look of these new TDA suits, but like others I see it as more venerable... Like Hersey era. What I am wondering about is this... http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Angron-wep.html Think they will make some other primarchs... :blink: . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm sure we will get some stuff when the Prospero book comes out, Wolf Guard with Harpoon Guns!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3183998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm hoping for some specialised units akin to those in the first book (hoping for rules for Garro) and playable rules for primarchs :P - deffo getting some of these beauties to start building a heresy era loganwing :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbringer Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I think you could definitely make them fit in Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Aren't there rumours saying the Cataphractii termies would be SnP instead of Relentless? That could certainly give a boost to Long Fang squads... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Looks like it could be an interesting start for a Logan Grimnar conversion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Aren't there rumours saying the Cataphractii termies would be SnP instead of Relentless? That could certainly give a boost to Long Fang squads... :P What's the difference between the two? Does SnP have benefits over Relentless? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I really like the look of the new forgeworld Cataphractii termies. Do you think they'd look out of place in a contemporary wolves army? They have a slightly more roman look. Honestly, I would wait until forgeworld gets to the Prospero book with their Heresy series. I'm positive they will make wolf equivalent cataphractii terminators, along with a wolfy contemptor dreadnought. Why am I certain? well.... they have legion specific cataphractii and contemptor models. It's only logical for them to follow through in a marketing perspective. Supply and demand right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Hmm, looking at the weapons kits that they have available, I keep thinking "damn, I'm going to need to get at LEAST two of these... that's going to boost up the price!" I wonder how compatible the various terminator weapons/hands are with these models? It looks like the base miniatures come with two arms each - so if you wanted to add a right-handed power axe or thunder-hammer (say, from a wolf guard box set), that could potentially work. I'm quite tempted to set up a squad with a power fist and a lightning claw each. However, that would be exorbitant! The lightning claw set only comes with two right handed lightning claws! So I'd end up having to buy 1 power fist kits and 3(!!!) special weapons kits. That's 48 pounds just for the weapons loadout! At that point you could just buy a second box of cataphractii and load them out however you liked without having to buy additional arms (e.g. 5 combi-plasma, 3 lightning claws, 2 thunder hammers). Still, it seems rather crazy! Also, the lack of cyclone missile launcher option makes me sad :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 I really like the look of the new forgeworld Cataphractii termies. Do you think they'd look out of place in a contemporary wolves army? They have a slightly more roman look. Honestly, I would wait until forgeworld gets to the Prospero book with their Heresy series. I'm positive they will make wolf equivalent cataphractii terminators, along with a wolfy contemptor dreadnought. Why am I certain? well.... they have legion specific cataphractii and contemptor models. It's only logical for them to follow through in a marketing perspective. Supply and demand right? That sounds like extremely sensible advice. Also, I spent my annual warhammer budget in about a month a couple of months back. So I'm going to have to wait (unless I manage to earn some wife browney points and a nice Christmas present :P) I'm not very knowledgeable of the HH lore or the forge world release cycle. How much time would you imagine it will take forge world to get to prospero burns? a few months? A year? Longer? EDIT: Hmm, it looks like it is likely to be over a year away (1 year until next one - Istavan 5, so it will be more than that!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Aren't there rumours saying the Cataphractii termies would be SnP instead of Relentless? That could certainly give a boost to Long Fang squads... ;) What's the difference between the two? Does SnP have benefits over Relentless? Relentless : model can move and fire SnP : as long as one model has SnP, the whole squad can move and fire... Add a (theoretical) Cataphract Termi WG to LFs and they suddenly become a lot more maneuverable... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Is there a Mk of power armor that naturally matches the Cataphractii terminator armor? It would be interesting to do up a mixed retinue. I'm leaning towards either Mk II or Mk III as being the closest match. a squad of Cataphractii and a Mk III command squad would fit inside a Crusader pretty nicely. Is that a bit anachronistic? I guess you can always explain it away as Ragnarok did - an old cache discovery ;) MkIII would make the most sense, fluffwise it was a proto-Terminator suit that many modern (even non-2nd founding) chapters still make use of in limited numbers when the situation merits it. Space Wolves certainly still have suits kicking around - the old metal Long Fang Sergeant was wearing it. MkII I would avoid - even if you went with the cache route for the Cataphracts it wouldn't really make sense for the marines to trade in their modern armour for an obsolete generalist suit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 Aren't there rumours saying the Cataphractii termies would be SnP instead of Relentless? That could certainly give a boost to Long Fang squads... :o What's the difference between the two? Does SnP have benefits over Relentless? Relentless : model can move and fire SnP : as long as one model has SnP, the whole squad can move and fire... Add a (theoretical) Cataphract Termi WG to LFs and they suddenly become a lot more maneuverable... Wow, yeah, that's really cool. How do forge world rules like this usually interact with the basic codices? I guess at the very least, at the moment, you'd need to choose between two options. The first would be using the cataphractii rules, presumaby from HH book 1. Perhaps this would require us to treat the unit as allies? This is assuming that we can mix and match across HH and 40k (10,000 years is quite a while, but with caches etc, it seems legit, fluff-wise, to have some really oldskool relics, perhaps especially in a first founding chapter). Alternatively, maybe the HH book makes the cataphractii terminator squad accessible to some 40k space marine codices? I'd be interested in finding out. Presumably it's going to be up to your opponent. Option 2, and what I'd actually been planning on doing, was simply fielding them as regular ol' wolf guard in terminator armour, using the space wolves codex. Still, it might be cool to have variant rules for terminators! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I'm always reluctant to convert Forge World stuff. Its so expensive and I expect their will be a Space Wolves specific parts when they roll around to doing Prospero. I'd rather wait and see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261592-cataphractii-doable/#findComment-3184583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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