Cataphractii... doable?

[Evilmerlin]

I remember reading in the "News, Rumours and Annoucements" section that there were minis of justaerin terminators at the GDUK. So I reckon when they go about releasing a book for the Wolves, they will be either Wolf parts for the current cataphracts or a new cataphract just for the Wolves.

 

I plan to get a good number of them to replace my current Logan-wing. I'll wait a bit and see what Forgeworld comes up with.

[Grimtooth]

I remember reading in the "News, Rumours and Annoucements" section that there were minis of justaerin terminators at the GDUK. So I reckon when they go about releasing a book for the Wolves, they will be either Wolf parts for the current cataphracts or a new cataphract just for the Wolves.

 

I plan to get a good number of them to replace my current Logan-wing. I'll wait a bit and see what Forgeworld comes up with.

 

Like I mentioned, the extent of any cata WG in my army would only be limited to Logan's personal crew, with him being in an especially converted and ornate one. Any more then that seems like it would deaden the wow factor of having them.

[Evilmerlin]

I'm playing them as regular terminators, just using the cataphract models.

[skeletoro]

I'm always reluctant to convert Forge World stuff. Its so expensive and I expect their will be a Space Wolves specific parts when they roll around to doing Prospero. I'd rather wait and see.

 

 

How extensive would a conversion have to be?

 

I have some wolf skulls, tails etc. Has anybody tried the Forge World Brass etching? Secret Weapon have some rune brass etching too...

 

I've also been wondering whether there are any good premade capes/pelts etc that might work without detracting from the model.

 

1+ years seems like a long wait. I think I'd rather get 5, and then get 5 more in a couple of years when the space wolf ones are finally released. And then put all 10 in a Storm Eagle :)

[skeletoro]

OK here's a shopping list that might work:

 

1x Cataphractii squad 33pounds

1x Mk II squad 23 pounds

1x Axe set 12 pounds

2x special weapon set 32 pounds

 

1x power fist on ebay 3 pounds-ish?

1x storm shield (in my bits box)

1x chaos lord cloak from ebay 3 pounds ish?

2x extra power swords sitting in my bits box

 

 

That's 106 pounds + shipping. Ouch.

 

But what it would get me is a wolf lord plus retinue that could just fit in a crusader. With magnets, I could have my pick of 2 loadouts:

 

close combat

Lord /w TH+WC, cape for aesthetics

2 TDA /w dual WC

1 TDA /w WC + PF

1 TDA /w WC + CF

4 PA /w power sword + axe

 

All units have an extra attack due to dual wield. No shooty, though. The squad hasn't used any special weapon choices and is only 8 strong, so 2 long fang packs get a CML buddy too. There's also room for the lord to bring a puppy.

 

balanced

Lord: the same

2 TDA combi-plas +WC

1 TDA heavy flamer + PF

1 TDA heavy flamer + CF

2 PA /w combi-p + sword

1 PA /w combi-m + sword

1 PA /w combi-m + axe

 

This one is clearly quite shooty but in a short-range kind of way. The main reason I've included the heavy flamers is because they're the only weapon in the set that's legal for WG :cuss Could potentially just switch for more combi weapons and put 2 CML termies in the back line.

 

So yeah, 100 quid but it would be a pretty funtastic squad ;)

[raiders13]

Looks good to me, I can't wait to pick some of the pre heresy stuff up.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

[skeletoro]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

 

Yeah, I saw that. Interesting.

 

I am guessing those rules will only be allowed when playing an actual game of 30k. When you're playing 40k, it's indomitus rules only, correct? At least, unless your opponent agrees.

 

Slow and Purposeful is only going to be useful for us SW if it can be applied to Wolf Guard. As it's the WG that get to be pack leaders for LF squads!

[Arez]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

Why do the Tartaros only have 6+ invul saves?Shouldnt it be 5+ like normal?

[skeletoro]

Bought my chaos terminator lord cloak from ebay for $5.50 (2.50 shipping). I guess I'm locked in to purchasing some Cataphractii now...

 

I wonder how well the cloak will actually attach to my wolf-lord-to-be.

 

Also, I'm not sure whether he'll be a wolf lord. I mean, I already have a wolf lord (the finecast fellow on the thunderwolf!) I suppose I could use the wolf lord stats but refer to him as a wolf guard battle leader. He could be my wolf lord's understudy! Or maybe the thunderwolf guy could be the understudy. Hell, they could both be understudies to some as-of-yet unidentified wolf beast! Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself.

 

The other option would be to make my army a mix of companies... Hmm! That would give me some variation in terms of shoulder pads etc, which might make things a little more interesting to paint, for sure.

[skeletoro]

Actually, what really would work quite well is to buy more than 1 squad, with different armaments. It gets much more bang for buck.

 

...Anyone want to buy a couple of squads with me in order to reduce the overhead due to extra, unused bits? Of course, we'd have to want different weapons from the kits, but eh, could work! :D

[Vodunius]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

Why do the Tartaros only have 6+ invul saves?Shouldnt it be 5+ like normal?

 

Maybe because they wanted it to be:

Cataphract: Heavy

Indomitus: Medium

Tartaros: Light

as opposed to:

Cataphract: Heavy

Indomitus: Medium

Tartaros: Medium + Awesome sauce

[Russ Brother 92]

that WOULD be pretty cool - your HQ/Retinues in the old Cataphractii armour, regular WG in Indomitus and then either 'newly promoted' WG or Scouts who've moved to WG in the Tartaros :down: - naughty forgeworld my money is yours...

[Elazar The Glorified]

In the Horus Heresy Book mind there's no distinction between the Indomitus, Tartaros and Saturnine patterns of Terminator armour. They're all 2+/5++ as the background is that they are all very similar.

Cataphractii is 2+/4++ with Slow and Purposeful

[TiguriusX]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

Why do the Tartaros only have 6+ invul saves?Shouldnt it be 5+ like normal?

Because no other suit of terminator armor can sweeping advance.

 

The 6+ is price you pay for running down entire units and slaughtering them to a man when they flee

[TiguriusX]

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

Why do the Tartaros only have 6+ invul saves?Shouldnt it be 5+ like normal?

Because no other suit of terminator armor can sweeping advance.

 

The 6+ is price you pay for running down entire units and slaughtering them to a man when they flee

[Gawain Veteris]

QUOTE (Arez @ Sep 24 2012, 10:37 PM)

QUOTE (Lord Ragnarok @ Sep 24 2012, 08:32 PM)

Here's the breakdown of the stats for the various termie armor from the news/rumor thread.

 

 

Cataphracti Armour 2+/4+ Slow and Purposeful

Indomitus 2+/5+ Relentless, No Sweeping Advance

Tartaros 2+/6+ Relentless, CAN Sweeping Advance

Why do the Tartaros only have 6+ invul saves?Shouldnt it be 5+ like normal?

 

Also because Tartaros Pattern armour belongs to the MKIV movement in armour production. That is, while the MKIII offered more protection, it reduced movement capacity. In the same way Cataphractii made marines nigh invulnerable to monsoons of bullets but they were lumbering, almost clumsy creations. Tartaros pattern represents a school of thought that necessitated a need for improved movement, with a slight reduction in protection.

 

That said I don't like Tartaros pattern personally... go for Cataphractii because its ace!

[Iacton Qruze]

I'm picking up 10 for now. will probably just add some tails and necklaces to a few, and maybe a wolf pelt to the one I convert to a WL.