Way1and Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Apparently, I've fallen into a bit of luck because I modeled my WG with combi-plasmas (hey, you work with what's in the box). But it sounds like I'm gonna have to pry those FW meltas out of the hands of my Grey Hunters and replace them with the plasma guns that I was saving to make las/plas Razorbacks. Why? Why are we suddenly OK with playing Russian Roulette with plasma? Have the stats on these weapons changed that much? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 It's not the stats, it's the improvements to AP 2 and the 2+ armor save itself, and a lack of needing melta weapons as much anymore, that have pushed plasma back to the fore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Plasma love is a side effect of changes to melee combat. Power weapons changed so that AP3 is standard if you strike at initiative. Plasma is top AP2 option now It just gets better with shooting rules allowing movement and single shot long range plus wolf priest preferred enemy giving rerolls for shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Way1and Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 OK, now I see it. Guess I'm gonna have to get off my butt and go get the new rulebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain fabian Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 And also remember that you can use krak grenades against most vehicles and MC, so your melta needs are greatly reduced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSniperMonkey Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Add to the changes in mele that glancing hits on vehicles do more damage due to removing hull points and you can now take armour saves on gets hot, plasma is a lot safer and more useful than it used to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Plasma was always a great way to go on GHs, let them hunt down just about any target, and certainly all the ones they could tackle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain fabian Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 If Im not mistaken you could always save gets hot wounds. Plasma fire is still the same. It just its effects and the use of more 2+ save units that require its presence. Along with 24" one shot rapid fire as said before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I second everything that has been said except armour could always be taken against gets hot. That being said Melta is just as good as ever against armour and if you still play against mech or FNP which seems to be everywhere, at least for me, then melta is great only now plasma is much closer to equal and more fun. Also recall that the onset of 5th edition was heralded as the infantry age and a departure from rhino rush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 At 1500 points, I used to play two squads of meltas and one squad of plasmas, but now I've switched them. Melta still serves it's purpose, it's definitely still the spearhead of my grey hunters, especially since you can charge after firing them, but plasma gets a lot more focus now. One of my new favorite things is my footslogging wolves, with a 10 man 2x melta, 1x plasma pistol, 1x WG with Multi Melta. The pain this pack can bring, combined with 2x plasma packs sitting back on each side. Vehicles don't stand a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 The extra range when using plasma guns has so far been a great advantage from what I've seen so far. That extra 12" allows you to keep your troops in cover, instead of constantly moving to get into range with the melta gun. Try to find some people with extra bits now while you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 a 10 man 2x melta, 1x plasma pistol, 1x WG with Multi Melta. I sure hope you mean combi-melta... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3184468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drunk Guardian Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I think the other reason Plasma is better now is because Krak Grenades are much more effective with the new "to hit" rules when assaulting vehicles. Melta is certainly needed for big things like Land Raiders but in general Marines have more ways to kill vehicles now than they did previously. It's not as necessary to specialize certain units for tank hunting. Plasma plays very well into the good at everything great at nothing format. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3185216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drunk Guardian Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Double post sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/261630-plasma-is-the-new-melta/#findComment-3185217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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