shin-ryu-ken Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm pretty excited about the possibility of fielding Abbadon and an army of chosen terminators. I have heard people on other sites who claim to have the codex or have seen it at gamesday both claim that Abbadon unlocks them as troops and that he doesn't. I have also seen the photo of the summary at the back of the codex and chosen terminators are not on it. Can anybody help me out with something a little more concrete than just a "yes they are" or "no they aren't"? Thanks for the help guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm pretty excited about the possibility of fielding Abbadon and an army of chosen terminators. I have heard people on other sites who claim to have the codex or have seen it at gamesday both claim that Abbadon unlocks them as troops and that he doesn't. I have also seen the photo of the summary at the back of the codex and chosen terminators are not on it. Can anybody help me out with something a little more concrete than just a "yes they are" or "no they aren't"? Thanks for the help guys People who`s seen the terminator load out page says that the option to upgrade to Chosen is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Abby apparently does not allow for chosen to be troops, either. Meh. So much for any Black Legion "Abbywing" armies. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Whoever said that whythre? That's usually in the actual army list sections and I haven't seen any leaked pictures of that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yeah, everything I have heard says that Abbadon does do that (make Chosen troops). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Eh, that is what I heard. However, I cannot say that my personal heresay is any better than the rumor mill, so feel free to disregard my earlier statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I really doubt that "Chosen Terminators" are a thing. They were only a thing in 3.5 because there was no "Chaos Terminators" entry, there was just a Chosen entry and Chosen could take terminator armor as an upgrade at which point they also got a power weapon and combi-bolter. So there will be Termies, and you can probably upgrade any arbitrary number to champions it's just that it will still probably be mostly a waste of points as there isn't a way to make them have 2 wounds for more staying power which is why things like Mega-Nobs and Paladins actually work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 They could have 2 wounds, back in 3.5. Chosen Terminators... I miss those guys so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 perhaps theres an upgrade option for terms to become chosen, or for chosen to have TDA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 They could have 2 wounds, back in 3.5. Pretty sure they couldn't? I thought the +1 wound gift was ICs only, so the only two wound terminators were rubric terminators, which were an upgrade for rubric chaos marines, not for chosen (tzeentch chosen terminators were sorcerers instead, iirc). Anyway, the 'chosen terminators' rule was wishlisting and has been completely debunked. Abby making chosen troops is still up in the air - though it has been repeated by reliable sources (it's not on abby's page, but people say its in his army list entry). But those chosen won't be upgradable to terminators, nor will terminators be upgradable to chosen. And while Abby looks pretty boss himself, it remains to be seen whether chosen are a worthwhile unit, even if you can field them as troops. They're very expensive compared to basic marines, not all that much killier, and not at all more durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Instead of Chosen in TDA, we do get the Mutilators, which I just think of as 2W Assault Terminators. It sort of fills the role of Chosen in TDA, at least Chosen in TDA tooled up for HTH. Too bad we can't take them as Troops, but such is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 They could have 2 wounds, back in 3.5. Pretty sure they couldn't? I thought the +1 wound gift was ICs only, so the only two wound terminators were rubric terminators, which were an upgrade for rubric chaos marines, not for chosen (tzeentch chosen terminators were sorcerers instead, iirc). Anyway, the 'chosen terminators' rule was wishlisting and has been completely debunked. Abby making chosen troops is still up in the air - though it has been repeated by reliable sources (it's not on abby's page, but people say its in his army list entry). But those chosen won't be upgradable to terminators, nor will terminators be upgradable to chosen. And while Abby looks pretty boss himself, it remains to be seen whether chosen are a worthwhile unit, even if you can field them as troops. They're very expensive compared to basic marines, not all that much killier, and not at all more durable. Mounting them all on Juggernauts gave them +1W. TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 To be honest, I realized something about those pictures. It kind of clicked in my head when I saw Insane Psychopath say that he looked at the Codex at Games Day but he didn't get to see everything. The Codex that was shown at Games Day was a trimmed down, sneak preview version. Should have realized sooner. I noticed because I was looking at two different pictures. One was the army profile I redistributed on the Cypher thread. Another is of the Armoury. In the Armoury page, the only three melee weapons, the chainaxe, the power scourge and the plague knife. But you look on the profile and there are even more. So it is entirely possibly that there are somethings we're not seeing. Unless someone actually has a Codex in front of them, which would be weird since it is not supposed to come out until October 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Yep, all in not yet known about the codex. But we do know a lot allready (which makes me really happy honestly). I also would love to know who can have the Power Sourge or is this only for the Dark Mechanicus? Man, can't wait till the 6th :) *spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Power source or power scourge? Scourge is a DCCW found in the pewter dreadnought kit. It's that crazy assembly of square tubing formed into a simple set of talons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Scourge. In the melee weapons. it doesn't really matter what it's for and who can use it since it's mostly speculation, my point is if the army profile list shows about ten melee weapons but the armoury only shows three before it shows ranged weapons, then the armoury is a sneak preview which may or may not mean that the rest of it is a sneak preview. There might actually be more stuff than what is on the profile list that was shown, there might not be. And it just doesn't apply to weapons, it applies to units. There might actually be a Cypher. There might actually be Chosen Terminators. There might be a way to have an Abby-yabby-doo-wing. That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Scourge. In the melee weapons. it doesn't really matter what it's for and who can use it since it's mostly speculation, my point is if the army profile list shows about ten melee weapons but the armoury only shows three before it shows ranged weapons, then the armoury is a sneak preview which may or may not mean that the rest of it is a sneak preview. There might actually be more stuff than what is on the profile list that was shown, there might not be. And it just doesn't apply to weapons, it applies to units. There might actually be a Cypher. There might actually be Chosen Terminators. There might be a way to have an Abby-yabby-doo-wing. That's my point. ^^ Well, wat is known is the list of all the units in the Codex. As far as my memory goes there was no Cypher in that list. (Will have to re-check that) So I am quite sure he isn't in the 'dex. The Power Scourge is indeed the doc oc weapon. The Warp Smith seems to have it to: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2610358a_99810102015_CSMWarpsmith360_352x253.jpg Then again, as Kol mentioned, much is still speculation as we sure don't have the CSM codex :). Then again I like this kind of speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 No, there wasn't. But the list is from the "Preview" Codex. Which may or may not mean that like the armoury, it may not have everything on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The Power Scourge is indeed the doc oc weapon.The Warp Smith seems to have it to: No it's not. The Warpsmith have something else I can't remember the name of just now...mechatendrils? They include a meltagun and flamer. A Power Scourge is an old 2nd ed weapon option for the dreadnought, and according to pictures it will have a chance of decreasing the Ws by D3 in CC in the new codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Mechadendrites. And yes, that is what the Power Scourge was in the old dex. It is in the new Dex though. The only reason I brought the thing up was to show that the leaked pictures of the Dex are leaked pictures of a, well let's call it the "Preview Dex" for brevity's sake and obvious reasons. The point being that if not even all of the weapons are shown, there is a very good chance that either not all of the units are shown, or their options are shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Well the PS(for short) have the special rule "flail" in the summary, and in the bit with the nice pictures of weapons, the "Flail" rule is explained as -d3 Ws in btb contact or something. I can't remember and cba finding the pic atm. On my laptop and in a hurry! :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Yeah, I've seen that too. But that same picture only shows the Chain Axe, the Plague Knife and the PS as all there is for Melee weapons in the Armoury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 They could have 2 wounds, back in 3.5. Pretty sure they couldn't? I thought the +1 wound gift was ICs only, so the only two wound terminators were rubric terminators, which were an upgrade for rubric chaos marines, not for chosen (tzeentch chosen terminators were sorcerers instead, iirc). Anyway, the 'chosen terminators' rule was wishlisting and has been completely debunked. Abby making chosen troops is still up in the air - though it has been repeated by reliable sources (it's not on abby's page, but people say its in his army list entry). But those chosen won't be upgradable to terminators, nor will terminators be upgradable to chosen. And while Abby looks pretty boss himself, it remains to be seen whether chosen are a worthwhile unit, even if you can field them as troops. They're very expensive compared to basic marines, not all that much killier, and not at all more durable. Mounting them all on Juggernauts gave them +1W. TDA Not if they had their termy armour on, it stopped them riding steeds, probably couldn't get up into the saddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
space wolf Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The point being that if not even all of the weapons are shown, there is a very good chance that either not all of the units are shown, or their options are shown. I hate to be a pessimist, but I have to disagree here. Given GW's track record, I think all the units that are in the Codex, we know about at this point. Several people claim to have seen the codex and say there are NO chosen terminators. Nor is there a way to make them so. Honestly I don't really see what the big deal is. I never really liked the 3.5 dex anyway, 2.0 was much better... ;) But that's a personal opinion, and people are allowed to like what they like. But I highly doubt chosen terminators will in fact exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The point being that if not even all of the weapons are shown, there is a very good chance that either not all of the units are shown, or their options are shown. I hate to be a pessimist, but I have to disagree here. Given GW's track record, I think all the units that are in the Codex, we know about at this point. Several people claim to have seen the codex and say there are NO chosen terminators. Nor is there a way to make them so. Honestly I don't really see what the big deal is. I never really liked the 3.5 dex anyway, 2.0 was much better... :) But that's a personal opinion, and people are allowed to like what they like. But I highly doubt chosen terminators will in fact exist. But a warpsmith costing less than 120 points, armed with power axe, flamer, melta gun, +2 armour, abillity to decrease enemy cover save (GOLD!), repair vehicles on 4+ and curse enemy vehicles, will be there! From his profile he can take even more stuff from the chaos armory and also a mark of the gods. Hehehehe, my I have an excuse now to convert my old Warsmith model with servo arm ^^ Edit: ps. I wonder if "Shatter defences" will stack...I.e. will it be possible to field 2 warpsmiths and completly demolish a +5 cover save to nothing? Would be very interesting if that would be the case, and in particular in large 2000 points battles where it makes more sense to field 2 of them ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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