Brother Ambroz Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Pretty much as the topic says, what do we know about daemon princes in the coming codex? I've heard that we'll be able to take daemon weapons again, which would be welcome if true. So far what I've heard is they're going to be beastley but expensive. I've also heard rumors that they're losing EW, but I sincerely hope that isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I've also heard rumors that they're losing EW, but I sincerely hope that isn't true. Being a daemon, there is no need for have EW. It would be redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I've also heard rumors that they're losing EW, but I sincerely hope that isn't true. Being a daemon, there is no need for have EW. It would be redundant. Not so at all. You probably think that the daemon rule in the 6ed book states that daemon gives Eternal Warrior, but that is not the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Being a daemon doesn't make the unit an eternal warrior unless it is from Codex: Chaos Daemons. It simply gives you fear and a 5+ invulnerable save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 We have the snippet in WD saying that they can take daemon weapons (if you read through the WD you will find that at the end) Then we have this: http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348426712843.jpg And thats pretty much what we know. Ps. Use this link to be able to magnify pic a bit: http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1348426712843.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Anyway, hope that helps you a bit guys. I will point to the black bolded print stating that the DP can take "Chaos Reward" and/or "Chaos Artifacts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 "May take Power Armour." Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 "May take Power Armour." Huh. Yupp, we are dealing with a very "naked" daemon costing 145 points which has the options to be upgraded a lot. It will be very expensive if you want it to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 But really, was anybody not expecting our Daemon Princes to become more expensive from the start? With their new stat increases they would obviously become even more expensive than even that... So far there are just a few things that worry me about the codex, but the Daemon Prince is not one of them(mainly Thousand Sons worries). With some more wargear and gifts he could become quite powerful...exactly how powerful remains to be seen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 For the points cost, I think (for me at least) that Daemon Princes will move into the realm of "Modelling Project" and "3rd+ HQ choice" for 2000pts+ games. This is unfortunate, since my trusty Nurgle Daemon Prince has been a central part of my army of The Purge. I'm not happy about the Must take a mark of a chaos god, both from the added points cost and the fact that I still haven't adapted to the new paradigm. I mean, my Liber Chaotica has a whole chapter on Chaos Undivided ;) However, once we have the wargear options in front of us, there may be some more inspiring options, but I will miss the good il' days of the inexpensive flying bullet sponge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm not worried about the point cost, I know some people are but for those people they can just take one of the cheaper options. I'm just worried that with all the points we can invest (and I'm sure alot of us will invest alot in these guys) they're not going to have EW and will go against some rending ID or force weapon and go splat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I think the Liber Chaotica stuff is now filed under "Archaic Fluff" along with stuff like Zoats, Malal and the like. Edit: Oh my, Toughness 5 eh? Non Nurgle ones gonna cry against a Railgun. "How many points did you put in that one model? LOL put him back in the case." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Well, they can roll on the Chaos Boons table so at the very least they will be able to gain EW if they don't already have it. Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what happens if you roll a 17-20 on the Boons table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 For the points cost, I think (for me at least) that Daemon Princes will move into the realm of "Modelling Project" and "3rd+ HQ choice" for 2000pts+ games. This is unfortunate, since my trusty Nurgle Daemon Prince has been a central part of my army of The Purge. I'm not happy about the Must take a mark of a chaos god, both from the added points cost and the fact that I still haven't adapted to the new paradigm. I mean, my Liber Chaotica has a whole chapter on Chaos Undivided ;) However, once we have the wargear options in front of us, there may be some more inspiring options, but I will miss the good il' days of the inexpensive flying bullet sponge. Didnt realize you had to take a mark on the Princes now, if that is the case I wont be running one :*( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what happens if you roll a 17-20 on the Boons table. How would it be possible to do that on a D66 table(the first dice represents the first number, the second dice the second number)? 1+1=11 1+2=12 1+3=13 1+4=14 1+5=15 1+6=16 2+1=21 2+2=22 2+3=23 ... and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 40 points for wings O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Still the boons table has a small chance to get EW. These guys of all units should have it. As Trevak said and from what its looking like, one railgun and he's done. I think I'm going to be really pissed if they did away with it entirely (even with the boons table). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 You guys are right on the money. As soon as the 6th ed. book came out, there have been all kinds of Railgun and Leman Russ allies (Oh, I guess there's a couple of other units from those codicies, but you know) sprouting up. Maybe the prevalance of AP3 and better shooting that I'm seeing means that I won't have to buy power armor! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what happens if you roll a 17-20 on the Boons table. How would it be possible to do that on a D66 table(the first dice represents the first number, the second dice the second number)? 1+1=11 1+2=12 1+3=13 1+4=14 1+5=15 1+6=16 2+1=21 2+2=22 2+3=23 ... and so on... I didn't know how D66 dice worked because I don't have any and I never used them before. So thanks for the explanation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Maybe the prevalance of AP3 and better shooting that I'm seeing means that I won't have to buy power armor! :D Hah! My princes usually die from things like bolter fire or regular grunt hits in melee...nothing fancy usually is used to take him down... Needless to say I'll be buying me a lovely 3+ save for those 20 points! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Unless there's some way to buy EW for the princes from the armory they are more or less a dead entry in any competitive enviroment. Add to that the dramatic point increase and the LD9 (which makes them very unreliable psykers). See what GW did there? Take the most popular HQ choice of the last codex (of which most chaos players have at least one if not two) and make them (one of) the least popular HQ choices so people will go out and buy the new expensive finecast Warpsmiths and Apostles. Subtle. Anybody know if they can take veterans of the long war? EDIT: Ok I guess they will actually have LD 10 because of veterans of the long war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 At the moment, I'm sticking with a lean and mean approach. Minimal upgrades at the start of list building then add more if I have spare points remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I think VotLW is already included, and I think you are overreacting about the inclusion of DPs in competitive environments. People won't take two anymore, that's for sure...at lower points costs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 You can see from the entry in the picture above they have the veterans rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I think VotLW is already included, and I think you are overreacting about the inclusion of DPs in competitive environments. People won't take two anymore, that's for sure...at lower points costs... That of course remains to be seen but I really can't imagine that DPs now have a natural LD of 8. Of course I can't speak for other metas of the world but around here 2 DPs were still quite common (although Chaos Lords leading Terminators were becoming quite popular). Maybe I am overreacting a bit about the loss of EW but it really upsets me. I mean IIRC DPs were the first units in the game that even had EW. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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