Týr Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 What are your thoughts on this? BL Blog and Angel Exterminatus Personally I don't approve of this ideá. I dont really see what I get for my money? You get, a afterword by the author, the book is in hardback and it contains some crappy cartoon artwork (which is what I have the biggest problems with). If the artwork inside was by Niel Roberts or Jon Suillivan I would consider It. But in my opinion, it's just some indifferent cartoons, that do not capture the spirit of 40k at all. From what I understand, the artist Karl Richardson also did some Space Wolves cartoons. From what I see his style just dosen't compare to the artwork we see on the book covers these days. Especially with covers like Flesh of Cretacia, just revelaed on the BL blog today, cartoons just seem out of place in HH books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I don't mind the idea, personally. Chances are I'll keep getting the paperbacks because I hate mixing formats in the same collection. I may get collectors editions at some point or another, just to be completionist, but that's my choice to make at a later date. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3193778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Well they are still doing the Paperbacks and and its not like other big book series don't make you wait months or even years to get the cheaper paper back Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3193782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconis Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The majority of big fantasy and sci-fi book series get released in hard back first and then paperback up to a year later. This is the norm. Black Library are just following an established trend. The difference being that a normal hardback will get you a dust cover and that's about it... The BL books are giving you artwork and fold outs etc. Though they are also £2 more than a normal hardback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3193961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I don't care about the hard cover or soft cover versions. Just give me my ebooks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3193974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Honestly, not fussed at all. I still need to pick up the series are the outcast dead, and I have all the non-Garro audio dramas to get too. I reckon I can stick the wait for the softbacks. It's also a quicker wait than for the Ciaphas Cain/Gaunts Ghosts softbacks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 i hate to sounds like a broken record, but GW is really screwing themselves with all this additional BS. its like they woke up and decided to hate customers. (now lets all the cries of "its a hobby, yadda yadda yadda come) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I don't care about the hard cover or soft cover versions. Just give me my ebooks. I agree with this 100% I stopped buying most books in physical form awhile back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 What are your thoughts on this? BL Blog and Angel Exterminatus Personally I don't approve of this ideá. I dont really see what I get for my money? You get, a afterword by the author, the book is in hardback and it contains some crappy cartoon artwork (which is what I have the biggest problems with). If the artwork inside was by Niel Roberts or Jon Suillivan I would consider It. But in my opinion, it's just some indifferent cartoons, that do not capture the spirit of 40k at all. From what I understand, the artist Karl Richardson also did some Space Wolves cartoons. From what I see his style just dosen't compare to the artwork we see on the book covers these days. Especially with covers like Flesh of Cretacia, just revelaed on the BL blog today, cartoons just seem out of place in HH books. Don't buy it then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'm just waiting to see whether the Hardback releases will be released on their own, with the paperback and ebooks 3 months later, or if they pull the same carp as with the other hardback releases, where the ebooks get released with a higher pricetag alongside the hardback, with only the paperback being late. I mean, it is one thing to have ebooks around a few weeks before the paperback gets officially released, but if the ebook gets a 3 month earlier release as well, I'd be pretty damn annoyed. Personally, I'd LOVE to have the series in those hardbacks, but heck, I'm 22 books into the series - and BL isn't kind on the euro either (11€ per paperback vs $9, anyone?). Add to that the fact that next year's BL lineup gets another increase in price, and you burn through your money in a similar fashion as when trying to pick up a viable, medium-large LotR tabletop army. Catching up with all 22 books we've seen so far would be an investment of 550€ / $660 - which is exactly the reason why I decide whether or not to buy hardbacks on a case-by-case basis, and only if the series hasn't been running yet and it is a trilogy at max. A trilogy in hardback is affordable and easily justifyable, a series with no end in sight is clearly not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 If they'd actually sell their special editions on Amazon, the Games Workshop page or at least offer PayPal as a payment option (with a small additional fee, i don't care) i'd be fine with that. As it is, ordering on the BL site is such a hassle for me that i don't bother more than once a year. In fact, in the past i've bought some of their books on ebay even if they were more expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I'm cool with it; I'll probably get the DA books in Hard Back and get the rest for the kindle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I gotta tell ya, if the hardbacks are bigger, I'm gettin' 'em. They're a lot easier on the eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I'm not sure if I am going to buy any of the copies, but I like the idea behind it and it will be interesting to see how the idea grows as BL gets a handle on it. The artwork I am not a fan of, at all. I don't have a problem with a comic presentation at all, especially when you are talking about something like Abnett's very fine graphic novel work for 40K (and elsewhere. Nova was amazing!), but for these books this type of artwork just doesn't work for me. I'm really not trying to bash the guy at all, but it just seems like a bunch of average quality superhero pin-up's in space. If they wanted to go for this kind of look, pull out the stops and go big and get someone with the technical skill and imagination along the lines of a Travis Charest and absolutely blow us away. I know the costs involved would rise, but for the money they most likely are asking, they can afford to pay a bit more for quality. The afterward will be the thing I am most interested in. How long it will be, how much detail they go into, thoughts, etc.. I think it is a great idea I would like to see including in many other series I read. But like I said, I'm half and half on this. I could see myself getting some of my favorite novels in this fashion, but I won't be buying these editions first for the new upcoming novels until I see if the book is worth it via paperback or an e-reader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 If they'd actually sell their special editions on Amazon, the Games Workshop page or at least offer PayPal as a payment option (with a small additional fee, i don't care) i'd be fine with that. As it is, ordering on the BL site is such a hassle for me that i don't bother more than once a year. In fact, in the past i've bought some of their books on ebay even if they were more expensive. I know what you mean. Even if I wanted to shell out those insane amounts of money for a limited edition novella, an exclusive digital-only audio drama or print on demand books, I could not, as they're so limited in payment options. Over here, in Germany, it is fairly uncommon to even have a credit card, no matter how hard Amazon and Ebay try to push their own cards via bonuses. You rarely even see people pay with their EC cards / bank cards in stores. I remember emailing Black Library a few times about the payment options, and they never had any plans or reasons to change anything about it. The funny thing is that the GW onlinestore allows ALL KINDS of insane and obscure payment methods, but what little they sell of the Black Library range is often still more expensive than simply buying the same books via Amazon or other book retailers. Buying paperbacks via Black Library in Euros is silly anyway, they charge what? 10.99€, compared to the $9 pricetag? One would think that a british company knows more about the current European situation. Then again, I guess they can actually overcharge Europe successfully, and keep a few more shiny coins per book. Back to bookdepository with me. 6€ per paperback on preorder, no shipping.. Seems much better already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3194311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I think pictures in books detract from the storyline. It smacks of catering only to children and I stopped reading books with pictures in them when I was in primary school. Keep the pictures for graphic novels and comics. What next, a free lolly with every purchase? Dark Chaplain, how do people normally pay for things in Germany? Do you have debit cards, money transfer, what? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3195539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kirus Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I think that the artwork by Karl Richardson is too weak. It is too cartoonish and doesn't help to create the atmosphere. If they wanted to make books in hard cover special, all they needed to do is include extra art from the same guys who paint the cover of HH seties. To be honest, I saw quite a few guys on this forum who's art is much better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3195582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 They blogged about it again What I DO like immensely is that the Horus Heresy hardbacks are gonna be a hybrid of the current and older Black Library hardbacks. The Emperor's Gift and Priests of Mars both had the cover directly printed onto the book, while, for example, Angel of Fire or the Tyrion & Teclis trilogy use dust jackets with only text on the actual book's cover and spine. The Heresy books will use the jacket for title, details etc, but the book itself is gonna feature the full artwork, without any distractions - that's GREAT, as it has always been a sad fact that half of Neil Roberts' incredible artworks just weren't visible. http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog/2012/10/angelx.JPG http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog...cover-large.jpg I don't think I like the artworks, though. While I appreciate good artworks within novels (I'm looking at you, Children of Hurin), I don't fancy those comic-esque artworks. They make the series appear more like... cartoon-work, and I somehow can't shake off the vibe of japanese light novels, which come with artworks and a very specific style of prose (which I personally find horrible to read through; plenty of them read basically like scripts for an anime adaption rather than a proper novel). It's probably a personal thing, but I fear that with the growing influence of japanese-born entertainment and more and more legally obtainable localized anime and manga in the west, that type of artwork likens the Heresy series, and 40k as a franchise, to those fandoms, which might not help much in regards to Warhammer's reputation. This would not be an issue if the artwork were as "grimdark" and gritty as the usual cover artworks, or the card game illustrations we've come to appreciate. http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog...ernal-large.jpg A minor detail on the spine I very much appreciate and would have loved to have on the paperbacks: The books are numbered in roman numerals (or High Gothic, if you fancy the in-universe name) - Angel Exterminatus is numbered as XXIII. http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/BL/blog...spine-large.jpg @TennisBall Honestly, most things are either paid in cash or via online-banking, and basically every local online store offers to withdraw the money directly from your bank account, without ANY need for a company in-between you and them, aka a credit card company. Even when using Paypal and the likes, it is much more common to link your account to your bank account instead of manually sending money back and forth, or using a credit card as yet another layer of payment. Another option usually offered is paying your bill after you receive your order, within a, let's say, 14 days timeframe after receiving the package. That's not to say that credit cards aren't available or payment via cc isn't offered, but it just isn't all that common or, well, viable, considering the additional fees, which come even with a debit card you can get from your own bank - those ain't free or cheap either. But yes, that leads me to the point that, when the Black Library raised the "GOING DIGITAL!"-flags all around, I really was torn between taking it as a joke or slamming my head onto the desk - going digital without embracing modern payment methods is quite pathetic, and leads to a horribly high amount of missed opportunities. I should have kept track of how many times I read people mention their interest in a direct exclusive or collector's edition but had to jump through plenty of hoops just to make sure they'd have a friend or family member at hand to pay for their order, or couldn't make use of the release at all due to a lack thereof. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3195670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I to hate mixing formats, Especially since I have been collecting from the beggining, if they started out as paperbacks they should stick with it, My ventris collection vexs me to no end, the 1st 3 books are paper back and teh last 3 are hardback, (yes the hard back look nicer but me greviance is they changed over half way). I wil wait if released in papareback. I have all the gadgets to switch over to ebooks but I just cant do it, i still prefer the feel and smell of a real book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I'm sorry, I don't see the problem. I really don't. It's optional. And now we can count down to when the Collector's Book will be released in paperback/e-book form. Three months after the Collector's. They're doing what every single other business does: Make more money. At least they are providing both, the more expensive and the cheaper option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Are we sure it's optional, my search-fu on BL is poor. While the hardback is sexy, I'm with those who have 20+ softback books and want my collection to have some visual consistency. Any help from the fraters? :D Stobz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Yep. Right in the blog provided in the link, it says that they are going to start releasing a hardcover Collector's Edition three months before the actual release. Since the actual release will most likely be paperback because BL never seems to have that many hardcovers anyway, it will mean that it is entirely optional. You will have to wait longer, but sometimes waiting longer is worth the cheaper price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I just hope these collector's editions will also be available in digital format. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I like how hardbacks looks on my shelf. I will probably be rebuying them all. I am a sucker. I hate money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262213-all-future-hh-books-made-in-special-collectors-editions/#findComment-3197824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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