TheDarkApostle Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Do we know for sure that there is no Eternal Warrior on the Prince? Or are people just assuming because it didn't say Eternal Warrior in the unit entry? Because in the Daemon Codex the Eternal Warrior is noted as a sub-rule of the "Daemon" rule, which I assume the Daemon Prince is having. (In which case the DP would also be 5++ standard, which should be buffed to 4++ with MoT.) TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 It's the Daemon USR, so no he won't have Eternal warrior, no other rules added to the army wide special rules to state they get eternal warrior. The one in the Daemon Codex only effects chaos daemons. I like the price hike, always felt weird playing a Prince in 1000 points over the lord, purely thematic but the also represents the increased lethality of the prince now that it can fly, though the loss of armour is annoying it means taking a cheapy prince as a bullet sponge can be fun or as ad-hoc dreadnoughts they may work. Flying is the way to go really, if the options there take it, so far flakk is still not common beyond ageis lines, but hay no flying base so hide it behind buildings, still need true line of sight to target the thing, PA cause needs that save and I'll prob run it as a Khorne prince cause the extra attacks a great. But mostly will get two for Boon table cause I intend to roll that as much as possible, helpful since I play IG alot and will kill a lot of sergeants, especially since it also appears to work in shooting so Precision shoting out a sergeant may net me a first turn DP with some lucky lucky lucky rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 if the options there take it, so far flakk is still not common beyond ageis lines your forgetting other flyers. flying MC are good when you can spam them . 4 tyrants . 4-5 MC out of chaos demons . Single high cost DP is like a single 4HP flyer . not the most optimal use of points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darknightdrako Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yeah Not sure If I missed this in the dex but it seems that a Demon Prince of Khorne/Tzeetch/Nurgle/Slannesh wont have that mark of the patron god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sergeant Scarus Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What I don't quite get is why people are so afraid of librarians? A Daemon Prince with the Black Mace stands a VERY good chance of killing the Librarian before he does anything. Similarly, a Nurgle Daemon Prince is T6 right? So doesn't have to worry about Railguns one-shotting him. OK - he's expensive, but he's basically a Flying Mephiston (flying working in a similarly defensive way to hiding Mephiston). 265 points for WS9 S&T6 4W I8 with attacks at AP2 thanks to the Smash Special rule that cause instant death and wound on 2s? Can't quite see any other Monstrous Creature really living up to that with great ease. And even if there's one that can, you're flying so you should be able to avoid it. Not to metion Shrouded giving the Prince a 3+ Jink Save against shooting attacks. Seems pretty decent to me. Unless I've missed something? :) I'm not saying every Daemon Prince or Mark is Viable, but I think the Wings/MoN/Black Mace/Power Armour is certainly worth thinking about. I'm not saying throw him at Draigo and hope to survive, but the vast majority of things in the game he could take one. Yeah Not sure If I missed this in the dex but it seems that a Demon Prince of Khorne/Tzeetch/Nurgle/Slannesh wont have that mark of the patron god. Hmm if this is true though, bit of a shame for the Nurgle Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yeah Not sure If I missed this in the dex but it seems that a Demon Prince of Khorne/Tzeetch/Nurgle/Slannesh wont have that mark of the patron god. I have to believe that is some sort of oversight in how the "Daemon of X" rule was written. The Daemon Prince can specifically take Chaos Artifacts, so why would they be limited to the artifacts that don't require a Mark? This has to be a case of "we thought it would be obvious...", in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What I don't quite get is why people are so afraid of librarians? A Daemon Prince with the Black Mace stands a VERY good chance of killing the Librarian before he does anything. Similarly, a Nurgle Daemon Prince is T6 right? So doesn't have to worry about Railguns one-shotting him. OK - he's expensive, but he's basically a Flying Mephiston (flying working in a similarly defensive way to hiding Mephiston). 265 points for WS9 S&T6 4W I8 with attacks at AP2 thanks to the Smash Special rule that cause instant death and wound on 2s? Can't quite see any other Monstrous Creature really living up to that with great ease. And even if there's one that can, you're flying so you should be able to avoid it. Not to metion Shrouded giving the Prince a 3+ Jink Save against shooting attacks. Seems pretty decent to me. Unless I've missed something? :) I'm not saying every Daemon Prince or Mark is Viable, but I think the Wings/MoN/Black Mace/Power Armour is certainly worth thinking about. I'm not saying throw him at Draigo and hope to survive, but the vast majority of things in the game he could take one. Yeah Not sure If I missed this in the dex but it seems that a Demon Prince of Khorne/Tzeetch/Nurgle/Slannesh wont have that mark of the patron god. Hmm if this is true though, bit of a shame for the Nurgle Prince. The DP of Nurgle do not gain +1T, they gain some other rules instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 shrouded and s&p . it is also why the ax is so good giving rage , because khorn demons dont get it from their mark . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sergeant Scarus Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 shrouded and s&p . it is also why the ax is so good giving rage , because khorn demons dont get it from their mark . Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 shrouded and s&p . it is also why the ax is so good giving rage , because khorn demons dont get it from their mark . Though, until they have FAQ:ed it, princes can't take the axe because they don't have something called "Mark of Khorne". They have a separate entry where they are called "Daemon of Khorne" and so on. Marks are described at some page, which also includes their effects, so logically, if a prince of khorne would have a mark of khorne included in his "daemon of...", he would already have the rage the axe gives, wich means that GW has made an error somewhere...now we only need to wait and see where that error lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 GW has made an error somewhere...now we only need to wait and see where that error lies... I suppose it would be terribly bad form to begin emailing for clarifications before the codex was even on sale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Well there are some strange things that I don't get: What happens if you roll on chaos boons 21-22/65-66 I don't have spawn/DP model in my army? Why is Helbrute and Maulerfiend just 2 attacks base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feste Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Well there are some strange things that I don't get: What happens if you roll on chaos boons 21-22/65-66 I don't have spawn/DP model in my army? Why is Helbrute and Maulerfiend just 2 attacks base? It's important not to get too hung up on the number of attacks listed for those guys. The Maulerfiend has two powerfists, so effectively has 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Well there are some strange things that I don't get: What happens if you roll on chaos boons 21-22/65-66 I don't have spawn/DP model in my army? Why is Helbrute and Maulerfiend just 2 attacks base? In the case of the Spawn I imagine the model would be removed as a casualty as per normal, yeah? As for what to do if you don't have a Daemon Prince, I guess you just use an empty can of Pepsi or whatever to proxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 I will make sure I always have a spawn and a daemon prince model with me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 It says everything is the same as the spawn result except change all mentions of spawn to daemon prince, keep it's armour and keep it's warlord trait. If no prince model goes bye bye me's think. As for Jeske about flyers, I don't worry to much as a kiwi, even the 'reasonably' priced scythes are found only in the hands of young kids whose parents love them more then mine do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 "If the chaos spawn cannot be placed, just remove the champion", think that's pretty clear...you cannot place what you don't have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Surprised no one has mentioned it yet... Daemon Prince on a Juggernaught of Khorne. Nuff said. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Surprised no one has mentioned it yet... Daemon Prince on a Juggernaught of Khorne. Nuff said. :P That's because only models with MoK can ride juggers, and princes don't have marks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Surprised no one has mentioned it yet... Daemon Prince on a Juggernaught of Khorne. Nuff said. :P Sadly not possible as he is not an infantry models. EDIT: Also as Excessus has pointed out: no marks on princes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Loyalist completely wrong. Nuff Said. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Loyalist completely wrong. Nuff Said. :D Its what happens with a new codex. :) When I read your post I was like "OMG how great is that?! Oh wait." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I almost got me ready to build a Chaos army on it's own! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Question is, how large would that jugger have to be??? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Take a Maulerfiend, greenstuff a Jugger head, should be to scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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