Lagbenektelse Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Ok so this is an idea that just popped into my head and is probably going to be incredibly unpopular but here we go. First since I'm not sure how to use the spoiler's thingy I am going to point out that if you havent read prince of crows you dont want to read this. SPOILER ALERT So re reading emperor's gift and just got to the part where Hyperion is looking at the statues for the first of the Grand Masters. Something about the 8th one Khyron I believe caught my eye. Between the posture of a warrior leaning indifferently on his halberd to the inscription on the plinth reminds me very very much of a certain Astartes that ADB has already fleshed out more than anyone else. Im referring of course to Sevatar. At the end of Prince of Crows we know that he is psychic and has also been captured. So my thought is this...what if he gets picked by the Sigillite to join Garro's new Inquisition. I'll not go into too much detail as this could be a ridiculous idea but I wanted to put it out there and see what people think. This is probably not going to have any legs to it but I really really liked the idea and wanted to see what the community thinks. That and put it down because I had to get the thought out. I love Sevatar the more I read about him. The only reason I could think of that this thought might not pan out at all is because I'm also kinda of certain his geneseed finds its way into Talos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Talos was born and recruited on Nostramo, and the Night Haunter ordered its destruction before the Heresy even started. Sevatar refers to the destruction in Prince of Crows, and Talos was pretty much still an apothecary in the 10th(?) Company - the Covenant of Blood was refered to in Prince of Crows as well. Now, not to say that for a second I felt like your theory could be something to look out for, but there's still the whole "Sevatar is dead, my Lord" talk in Blood Reaver, so it seems quite unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3195290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagbenektelse Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 well that pretty effectively answers the second part. I had actually forgotten that Talos was in fact that old. Ive read that whole series multiple times but by the very nature of being a series Void Stalker is more readily to hand for memory. I still like my first idea lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3195512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No. No way. That would just be too--no. ADB wouldn't do such a thing. He wouldn't I tell you! I think I need a shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3195538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broker Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Sevatar becoming a Grey Knight would be a fairly good twist actually. He could outwardly claim that he saw it as the right way to bring justice, rather than his gene-fathers misguided ways, while privately knowing it was just another way for him to kill more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3196702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagbenektelse Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 If anything I think it would also appeal to the Lion. The Lion appears to have a very strict code of honor that was brought up in another post. The theory was that he fought during the heresy not necessarily to protect the Imperium but because as a knight he was sworn to the Emperor and therefore he would not see anyone stand in the big E's stead. Essentially his loyalty was to the Emperor's person not anything that the Emperor built and might explain some of the bits brought up about how neither Horus nor Guilliman or Dorn had any claim to leadership necessarily. That mentality along with the perception of not being very good with people or Astartes because he doesnt really understand them(Anti-Social Personality type) seems to jive with Sevatar. From there the chance to show that Sevatar's loyalty is to Night Haunter( not the Night Lords or Konrad Curze depending on which personality he originally swore himself to) might be a way to shift his perception. From there Sevatar would be joining the Grey Knights to determine for himself what "causes brother to betray brother." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3196924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayCatt Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Just to add fuel to the fire, while it is mentioned that Sevatar is likely dead, there is some question of if he died the way they, the Night Lords, were told. I can see this twist working, especially if ADB writes it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Well i have searched for a long time for any hint of a loyalist Night Lord. As much as i might like the idea that Sevatar turns out to be a Grey Knight Grand Master, i would point to a few things that might hate on the idea. As far as i can see from the story Prince of Crows is that Sev killed many Loyalists, on Istvaan V and afterwords. Sev never seems like he has any love for the Emperor. Sev goes beyond the call of Duty to save his brothers and his Primarch. I could go on but this dose not seem to fit the MO of the Knights Errant. I would love to see a quote from the book about the Statues of the Grand Masters though. Are all eight described? All eight have inscriptions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Well i have searched for a long time for any hint of a loyalist Night Lord. As much as i might like the idea that Sevatar turns out to be a Grey Knight Grand Master, i would point to a few things that might hate on the idea. As far as i can see from the story Prince of Crows is that Sev killed many Loyalists, on Istvaan V and afterwords. Sev never seems like he has any love for the Emperor. Sev goes beyond the call of Duty to save his brothers and his Primarch. I could go on but this dose not seem to fit the MO of the Knights Errant. I would love to see a quote from the book about the Statues of the Grand Masters though. Are all eight described? All eight have inscriptions? In the first introduction to 40k novels, I read Lord of the Night. IMO Sevatar seems like a purist to me, not into the Daemon warship that takes over the legion once Curze is killed. I could see him being enraged that his Legion fell to that level and now hunts Daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sevatar was basically the first person in the 30k/40k universe to say "Death to the False Emperor". Doesn't sound like a GK to me :devil: although I do remember something in Void Stalker that said Sevatar "wasn't killed". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It does not sound to barny to me that the GK's hire evil to desultory evil, I mean, Following the battle, where the Gal Vorbak had revealed that they were Daemonhosts, Sevatar's attitude changed, and he became openly hostile to the Word Bearers. So i think his hatred for daemon kin, and those who would be used by daemons is quite justified. A long shot, but you never know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I'll buy it. The quote fits like a glove, and Sevatar is never shown dead. I don't care how loosely these fit, I am now a firm proponent of "Sevatar-as-Khyron". :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 the Grey Knights did butcher a bunch of Sisters of Battle to improve their "incorruptiblness" against daemons. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sevatar has a huge anti authoritarianistic streak. The guy even dislikes Horus. It would require a mind beat from Malcador or someone stronger for him to join GK which is all about obeying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It didn't stop him from being a loyal son to Curze. Nor did he feel uncomfortable with exerting his own authority on others. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 With regards to Sevatar being Talos's genefather it's possibly, remember Space Marines have two geneseeds and while the fluff is very unclear on the topic in some stories it's been mentioned that one geneseed is removed while the Marin is still alive and after he has matured. So it's possible that Talos was implanted with Sevatar's "spare" geneseed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Who would he have to obey though? He would be working with the other 7 Grandmasters to train the new GK aspirants, then maybe lead a couple of missions when Titan returns from the warp. He was well-known as one of the strongest marines in the galaxy, who better to help train the GK aspirants? Edit: I forgot about the Supreme Grandmaster, but apart from him... <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Hawk Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 the Grey Knights did butcher a bunch of Sisters of Battle to improve their "incorruptiblness" against daemons. WLK Please don't go there, that paragraph still gives me nightmares <_< Which, ironically, is very Night Lord :P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I suppose "remember me for my treacheries" and "victory is nothing more than survival" would be an appropriate epitaph for a Night Lord. And I assumed "Khyron" was a Gothicization of "Charon", to match Janus (and possibly Loken's "Cerberus" too), but maybe there's more to that vowel change. Sevatar was a member of the Kyroptera, presumably from "Chiroptera", The Greek name for the mammalian order of bats. But I'd also be inclined to think maybe there are only so many ways for one man to describe how Space Marines might hold a halberd at rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3197921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 the Grey Knights did butcher a bunch of Sisters of Battle to improve their "incorruptiblness" against daemons. WLK Please don't go there, that paragraph still gives me nightmares :D Which, ironically, is very Night Lord ;). I had to, me sorry. :P While i find it a incredible stretch to have Sev join the Grey Knights, i do find this topic amusing. and no less riduclous than the above mentioned slaughter of Sisters. ( we really need a "Ward!!!!!!!! :lol: " emoticon here) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3198199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 All the NL have a pragmatic approach to survival that we've seen so far. I can see someone convincing Sev that serving in the GK would be better than death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3198345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 With regards to Sevatar being Talos's genefather it's possibly, remember Space Marines have two geneseeds and while the fluff is very unclear on the topic in some stories it's been mentioned that one geneseed is removed while the Marin is still alive and after he has matured. So it's possible that Talos was implanted with Sevatar's "spare" geneseed. I thought it varies from chapter to chapter/Legion to Legion? That, some took outthe seed once they reached a certain age and others, both were removed when they died in battle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3198734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 A psyker? Possibly one of the founding Grey Knight? Sometimes has trouble hearing the screams of his victims over the sound of how awesome he is? You heard it here first, Sevatar is, in fact, Loken. /Thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3199044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 A psyker?Possibly one of the founding Grey Knight? Sometimes has trouble hearing the screams of his victims over the sound of how awesome he is? You heard it here first, Sevatar is, in fact, Loken. /Thread. Doesn't that also make Sevatar a giraffe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3199087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Doesn't that also make Sevatar a giraffe? Sevatar is now: One of the first Grey Knight Grandmasters Loken A giraffe Alpharius The true author of the Lectio Divinitas The missing Second Primarch Cypher The Nightbringer The true author of the Book of Lorgar The Ork Warboss that grabbed the Emperor by the throat on Ullanor The missing Eleventh Primarch Ollanus Pious An Emperor class Titan The true author of the Codex Astartes Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, Loyal Servant to the true Emperor, Marcus Aurelius, husband to a murdered wife, father to a murdered son, and he will have his revenge...in this life, or the next. I reserve the right to add to this list as new Heresy publications provide more information. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262330-a-very-weird-idea-i-just-had-to-share-about-sevatar/#findComment-3199091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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