alfred_the_great Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 For those who have read 'Legion' you know that Mr A left us thinking; do any of the other HH series novels cover the Alpha Legion post the ending of the 'Legion' novel? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Deliverance Lost features the Alpha Legion post-decision and I think the short story in The Primarchs is a post-decision story too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3195327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3195358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No problem. Need to know anything else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3195360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 DL any good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3195433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 It's... passable. It's not on par with Abnett or A D-B but, so long as you're alright with an inconsistency or two, it's okay. There's one or two things Gav fudged but I'll let you discover those for yourself. <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3195438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Age of Darkness has an Alpha Legion/World Eaters/Raven Guard story in the aftermath of Isstvan that has interesting implications. I haven't read Deliverance Lost but wouldn't be surprised if it was linked to this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3196118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 DL = meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3196321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Read "The serpent beneath" In "The Primarchs". It's an Alpha Legion novella that is very enjoyable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3196758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Age of Darkness has an Alpha Legion/World Eaters/Raven Guard story in the aftermath of Isstvan that has interesting implications. I haven't read Deliverance Lost but wouldn't be surprised if it was linked to this. Indeed, it's linked. Also to the Raven's Flight audio (now in Shadows of Treachery anthology) but that's almost pure Raven Guard stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3196766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 DL = meh. Well, yes. Meh is the word, really. You have to have your own motivations to read it tbh. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3196773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xa0s Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Also, there's a line in the Pariah saying "I am Alpharius." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3225625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 DL any good? No. Especially in the treatment of Raven Guard and toning down the complexity of Alpha Legion. The Serpent Beneath is a good one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3226206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Also, there's a line in the Pariah saying "I am Alpharius." I'm not afraid to say, i was very excited when i read that bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3226891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Reaver Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Could someone care to point out the inconsistencies mentioned above? I don't recall them. Sun Reaver Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3229724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Well, whilst not being anything too specific. I felt that the Alpha Legion in DL were portrayed a little simplistically when compared with Legion. They have a plan and yes, it's all very sneaky. However, it all feels very by the numbers, as though Gav Thorpe is holding us by the hand as we walk through the plot. The plot turns of a good espionage tale should fold away like multiple layers as the reader progresses through the plot. The problem with DL is that we are constantly being told what the legion are up to and it rather takes away the mystery of things. It's an issue with third person omniscient narration, in that it's difficult to strike a good balance when telling an espionage story. You can't have your cake and it eat it as it were. I think one of the main causes of the discontent that people have with the way the Alpha Legion are being portrayed in the heresy, is due to the inconsistencies that come about due to differing levels of ability among the authors. Take Dan Abnett for instance. The man is immensely talented and i would wager that most folks here would trust him with their life when it comes to writing their legion (Don't start with harshing on Prospero Burns, its a fantastic book. I'm sorry if you felt robbed because they didn't rehash the last 150 pages of A thousand sons with more beards). Legion, is a fantastically crafted, well paced novel that doesn't show its hand until well into the last one hundred pages. It's one of those rare works of fiction that actively rewards repeat readings. Gav Thorpe, whilst not at all being a bad writer, for me tends to be a tad inconsistent with the quality of his writing. He wrote a trilogy of novels for warhammer fantasy based on the sundering of the elven race that were absolutely brilliant. In Deliverance lost, we get the sense that the portrayal of the Alpha legion is very journeyman, all the complexity and slow burning reveals that we see in Legion are gone. We have this shadowy group and they have a sneaky sneaky plan. A plan which is explained to us in detail pretty much from the off. The mystery is killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 For those who have read 'Legion' you know that Mr A left us thinking; do any of the other HH series novels cover the Alpha Legion post the ending of the 'Legion' novel?Oh I hope so! Also, You guys should read "We are One". Best AL story I've seen so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I think BL should hire Karen Traviss for the next AL story. She just has a way with this kind of writing and making it feel suitably sci-fi, mystery and black ops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 For those who have read 'Legion' you know that Mr A left us thinking; do any of the other HH series novels cover the Alpha Legion post the ending of the 'Legion' novel?Oh I hope so! Also, You guys should read "We are One". Best AL story I've seen so far. Is that in treacheries of the space marines, my dear bat winged man? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 For those who have read 'Legion' you know that Mr A left us thinking; do any of the other HH series novels cover the Alpha Legion post the ending of the 'Legion' novel?Oh I hope so! Also, You guys should read "We are One". Best AL story I've seen so far. Is that in treacheries of the space marines, my dear bat winged man? Yes it is, by John French. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Edit - Derp. Ninja'd by Nihm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 For those who have read 'Legion' you know that Mr A left us thinking; do any of the other HH series novels cover the Alpha Legion post the ending of the 'Legion' novel?Oh I hope so! Also, You guys should read "We are One". Best AL story I've seen so far. Is that in treacheries of the space marines, my dear bat winged man? Yes it is, by John French. Ah thank you, i shall pick that up. I like John French's stuff muchly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 We Are One truly is great. Might be the best story in the book acutally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Second that. Some of them were pretty lackluster and I didn't get why Torturer's Thirst was in there. Such a misnomer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think BL should hire Karen Traviss for the next AL story. She just has a way with this kind of writing and making it feel suitably sci-fi, mystery and black ops. Oh dear Lord in Heaven, no. Kol, we agree on a whole lot of things, I've noticed, but this is a horrible idea. See this blog post as to why: http://thegoodthebadtheinsulting.blogspot....dos-author.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262335-alpha-legion-post-legion/#findComment-3230721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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