Iron Sage Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Master of Deception reads as follows: "Nominate up to D3 Infantry units in your army before deployment. Those units gain the Infiltrate special rule" What I, and most probably many others, wants to know, is if this means that one can infiltrate dedicated transports according to RAW. I.e. Does this mean that I could infiltrate a land raider with terminators, or a rhino with some boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Master of Deception reads as follows: "Nominate up to D3 Infantry units in your army before deployment. Those units gain the Infiltrate special rule" What I, and most probably many others, wants to know, is if this means that one can infiltrate dedicated transports according to RAW. I.e. Does this mean that I could infiltrate a land raider with terminators, or a rhino with some boys? As per the BGB pg. 38 "Infiltrate" - you can, but the unit must be deployed (only) in the dedicated vehicle. Doesnt seem right to me, but it looks quite clear - go team chaos!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 Eh, lulz... If true, thats absurd. Not complaining however. Land raiders with terminators, if true, will hit the lines in turn 1...Or can outflank and murder an entire flank. It really, really sounds quite outrageous though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyl- Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Like I said in another thread, I don't think the landraider will really be worth it in terms of cost at all this edition. I like the brashness of the strategy, but I don't really think it would work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Really...You doubt my rules knowledge on your army list thread and you come to these heathens to get confirmation??? I am shocked and appalled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Really...You doubt my rules knowledge on your army list thread and you come to these heathens to get confirmation??? I am shocked and appalled! What the hell? I wasn't even in this conversation! :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 Really...You doubt my rules knowledge on your army list thread and you come to these heathens to get confirmation??? I am shocked and appalled! Lol! Saw this your post there after I created this one I am afraid. As for raiders, well not that many weapons penetrate AV 14 that easilly. Can certainly be glanced to death though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Really...You doubt my rules knowledge on your army list thread and you come to these heathens to get confirmation??? I am shocked and appalled! What the hell? I wasn't even in this conversation! :P DONT piss off the heathens...theres a lot of them and they all seem, well - malevolant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Land raiders with terminators, if true, will hit the lines in turn 1...Or can outflank and murder an entire flank. It really, really sounds quite outrageous though. I guess you could probably pull this off, RAW. You'd neeed to buy our laughable imitation of a land raider, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfalypse Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Really...You doubt my rules knowledge on your army list thread and you come to these heathens to get confirmation??? I am shocked and appalled! What the hell? I wasn't even in this conversation! :P LMAO well played sir, well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifrit446 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 So...not to get this thread back on track, but I'm gonna get this thread back on track :( The way that I would read it, is we choose D3 units to infiltrate, and if they have a specific dedicated transport, then it comes with them for the ride (or...as the ride?? :P) So I doubt we could take a squad of power armored marines and infiltrate a landraider for them since their ONLY dedicated vehicles are Rhinos...But that's not a bad rule at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 So...not to get this thread back on track, but I'm gonna get this thread back on track :( The way that I would read it, is we choose D3 units to infiltrate, and if they have a specific dedicated transport, then it comes with them for the ride (or...as the ride?? :P) So I doubt we could take a squad of power armored marines and infiltrate a landraider for them since their ONLY dedicated vehicles are Rhinos...But that's not a bad rule at all. I'd lean more towards this determination, but who knows? They will probably have to clarify if it's DT's only or any transport given to an infantry unit. I do think Termies, since they can take take it as a DT, can infiltrate with this Warlord Trait should they roll it. I guess it will depend on how you like to serve your termies up to your opponents.... If you don't mind bringing them into your deployment zone from the start, instead of deep striking in, then this is not a big deal and a possible bonus for ya. If your a deep striking kinda guy then it's not gonna be worth the risk. Me? I think it could be worth it, allowing me to serve up that can of "fool- whip" (thanks Mr. T for that gem) that much faster should I roll it. That much better if I roll 3... ;) ~BtW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Don't forget that if you have first turn, Infiltrators/Scouts can't charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Don't forget that if you have first turn, Infiltrators/Scouts can't charge. *knocks self, not to hard, in head* Bah. Forgotten that. Miko, the Bane of Dreams ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I don't see why not. Even embarked, they are still an infantry unit after all. But yeah, they will need to start embarked. My question is: if you have Huron and a CL with Master of Deception rolled, do you infiltrate 2D3 units instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Its clear only dedicated trsnsports can infiltrate and only if the unit is deployed inside it, so only termies for a raider though posessed csm chosen and havoks can do it in a rhino. Could be cool to tankshock with a destroyer raider and deploy havoks in opponents back field. Also does this apply to dreads to infiltrate as a "unit"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also does this apply to dreads to infiltrate as a "unit"? No, the rule is clear, only infantry. Dreads(Helbrutes) are vehicles/walkers. EDIT: just saw our new B&C banner. Neat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Dont understand. Dreadnought is a walker not infantry. Also, the master of deception is a warlord abillity and you can only have one warlord in your army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also, the master of deception is a warlord abillity and you can only have one warlord in your army. Sorry, I'm not doubting you, but can you point me where it's written? I can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also, the master of deception is a warlord abillity and you can only have one warlord in your army. Sorry, I'm not doubting you, but can you point me where it's written? I can't find it. Page 111 in the small book, and I am guessing its the same page in the big one. It pretty clearly speaks of one character. Would be pretty wierd if your army had two generals as well :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sorry, I didn't play by the 6th yet. I know that in other editions you need to choose which HQ is the general. So now, by choosing which one that is the Warlord, you cut off the use of Warlord traits by the other characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearingtheword Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Also, the master of deception is a warlord abillity and you can only have one warlord in your army. Sorry, I'm not doubting you, but can you point me where it's written? I can't find it. BRB 6th edition, pg 111 "When choosing your army, you must nominate one model to be your Warlord. This is always the HQ choice character with the highest Leadership. If several characters are tied for highest Leadership, you choose among them which is your Warlord." Yeah you can't charge if you have first turn but as mentioned you can tank shock. You also will likely be in a good position for your Dirge Casters to be effective that way as well. Or you can position yourself to be ready for a counter-attack (providing the unit has an Mark of Khorne). Lots of possibilities. And if you are going second, well..... ~BtW Bah Ninja'd while looking up some other stuff lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Core Rulebook in the section on Warlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 So, let me get this straight. If I have a land raider filled with termies and I run Master of Deception, I can infiltrate both the termines and their transport and it only counts as one of my D3 units? Cripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Think of it as compensation for our land raiders being towering heaps of trash. :D (assuming you actually can do this - I haven't read the codex yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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