Apothecary Vaddon Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 As others have said it depends on your point of view. From the Dorn/Johnson POV for whom loyalty is personally directed at the Emperor preparing for a post-Emperor Imperium is treason, no doubt about it. Someone spot me on this, but there was a audiobook with Solomon Voss (or it was Nemesis, not sure which) where IIRC Valdor discusses this with Dorn. Dorn says that his loyalty is to the Imperium, whereas Valdor's loyalty is to the Emperor and protecting his life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262592-roboute-guilliman-a-traitor/page/2/#findComment-3200183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilMAC25 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hey, considering how many people do it in real life, someone should get paid for it. Touche. When the inevitable happens because of a new strain of rabies/out of control nanobots/some hitherto undiscovered Amazonian parasite/the birth of Nurgle in the Warp, the USA will be A-OK. As will every other country with lots of peacetime staff officers lacking real wars to plan. Which actually means Russia will be in better shape than the US as most US Army staff officers have had lots of real wars to work on for the last 11 years meaning the zombie invasion plan is probably badly out of date. :whistling: Until the Russian Army gets a real, professional NCO corp, the US will be a better trained, better maintained, better prepared, more experienced fighting force. That said, "Quantity has a Quality all its own" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262592-roboute-guilliman-a-traitor/page/2/#findComment-3200340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 And the thing is, we don't know if he's planning on staying in Ultramar and letting Horus destroy the Imperium. Horus hasn't even approached Terra yet so what has Guilliman betrayed? B) His brothers Horus, Angron, Curze, Alpharius, Perturabo, Magnus, Fulgrim, Mortarion, and Lorgar. "Your loyalty is to ink and paper, Roboute! Our loyalty is blood!" Lorgar Aurelian, Know No Fear It could be a badge of honour to be considered a traitor to traitor. I presume it's kind of like maths; applying two negatives causes a positive! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262592-roboute-guilliman-a-traitor/page/2/#findComment-3200522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Guilliman wasn't planning for the Emperor's death. Even with terra besieged (which at the time Guilliman wrote his plans would not happen for another four years), why would he think that the Emperor would (or could) die? The impression I got was that Guilliman felt that the Imperium was already in ruins, and that the loyal Legions should not try to fight over those ruins, but should rather rally and muster their forces to then beat back the traitors and start a new Imperium "from scratch". He did not leave the Emperor behind, he left the people of the current Imeprium behind, so that in the future there would be a new and prosperous Imperium. because in the same way that the great warmaster horus and eight of his brother think rebel against the imperiu:because it can happen roboute know something basic in politics:you have to be prepared to things that maybe not happen. but is possible is like general stern in winter assault say to the commisar:only fools are certain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262592-roboute-guilliman-a-traitor/page/2/#findComment-3200543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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