Tamwulf Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 That's got to be a knock-off one time special event. This character is only valid in Spain for 2 months after the publication date (September 2012). If you want to use him in a non-GW event, consult the TO for permission If ya'll think back to other one off scenarios and special games GW has done through the years, they always take a character and pump him up. I can't imagine this being the real Cypher- those stats are better then 90% of all the Special Characters in the game right now. This adds just one more little piece into the Dark Angels puzzle that the codex may drop in November, and that rules for Cypher and the Fallen will be in it. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You guys are so funny! It's the Spanish version of Cypher in Codex Chaos from back in 2nd edition jazzed up a little at best! I'm actually disappointed so many of you guys missed it - for shame! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Well if they were produced by GW then there is no doubting their being 'official' rules in any way. They were produced for a largely Spanish tournament, have a limited life of 2 months, and are unlikely to be recognised elsewhere other than Spain. Or a public test bed for an upcoming White Dwarf? One can only hope for cool stuff :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 faeit resolved this issue today. Apparently Cypher was going to be the limited edition character in DV but it was changed to the chaplain instead http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-tru...k-revealed.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith IV Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 His stats may be better than most characters, but the bottom line is he has no invulnerable save and has neither ATSKNF nor Fearless. So, bearing that in mind... how would you price him in points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Faeit always finds the inside line in situations like this. However, the rumor that cypher was going to be included in the Dark Vengeance starter set? I've not heard that one before. Of course he'll never reveal his sources, but I'd love to know where that rumor got started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 His stats may be better than most characters, but the bottom line is he has no invulnerable save and has neither ATSKNF nor Fearless. So, bearing that in mind... how would you price him in points? I'm thinking that Hit & Run negates the whole fearless concept since they would be in conflict with each-other. And stat-wise he fits somewhere just around Abandon the Despoiler, Cyphers only weakness compared to Abandon stats being his A & W. So 200+ points would not be unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You guys are so funny! It's the Spanish version of Cypher in Codex Chaos from back in 2nd edition jazzed up a little at best! I'm actually disappointed so many of you guys missed it - for shame! :lol: The fact that they're not actually the same must have thrown some of us... :whistling: They're close but the Initiative and armour are different (lower Initiative, better armour), as are the rules (its not even a case of them being updated to 6E equivalents, they're totally different). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I'm with Shabadoo on this one as relates to his second paragraph. I think you're getting an accurate indication on what his future, official, stats will be (and they're impressive!). No, these stats were made up by GW Spain to balance out a Dark Vengeance scenario. We know that would take a bit more than the usual single model to do so, seeing as the discrepency between the DA and Chaos is rather noticeable even without I-C Seraphicus added in. This Cypher's stats are suitably jacked up to make up the difference, and no, I don't think that is an accurate portrayal of what any 6E Cypher will be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Cypher would be easy to fit into the new Codex:DA. Has a line in the description "If your army includes Cypher, it is assumed to represent an element of the Fallen.", and a special rule that if your army contains Cypher, it can contain no other DA special character, no Deathwing and no Ravenwing, but maybe gets some other buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidlessPraetor Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Isn't one of the current rumors for the new DA codex that there's a character who doesn't allow Guard as an ally? Maybe it's Cypher and maybe he's in fact in our codex this time around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwulf Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 You guys are so funny! It's the Spanish version of Cypher in Codex Chaos from back in 2nd edition jazzed up a little at best! I'm actually disappointed so many of you guys missed it - for shame! ;) Umm... in the post above yours... If ya'll think back to other one off scenarios and special games GW has done through the years, they always take a character and pump him up. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Personally, I think this is purely a Spanish event and chances are we won't see him, especially in this form. The most likely place we will see a Cypher and Fallen will be in an allies supplement where Chaos/Guard can take Fallen as an allied detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Isn't one of the current rumors for the new DA codex that there's a character who doesn't allow Guard as an ally? Maybe it's Cypher and maybe he's in fact in our codex this time around... Or perhaps the rumour is the wrong way round and if you take him you can ONLY ally with guard, which would be more fluffy. DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Or perhaps the rumour is the wrong way round and if you take him you can ONLY ally with guard, which would be more fluffy. Well after the audio book Malediction, this could be an option. He doesn't seem to be a Chaos follower in this incarnation. Edit: messed up quote. Had to clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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