force weapon question

[number6]

And there you have it. :P

[Castellan Alaric]

@thade, thanks for the clarification. didn't take brotherhood of psykers into account. always nice to have the vets around to clear things up :P

[jeffersonian000]

I hate saying it, but I believe Thade is wrong on this. The first unsaved wound cause by the unit is the only requirement to triggering all Nemisis Force Weapons in the unit. ICs roll for their activation separately, while Bro-Psykers roll once for their squad. A squad with attached IC(s) is counted as a single unit, per the BRB. Now, if Draigo or an Inquisitors without Hammers are attached to a squad of Bro-Psykers, their individualy caused unsaved wounds are use for their individual activative, because Draigo and Inquisitors wield normal force weapons, not Nemisis (with the exception of Daemon Hammers). Its all in the Nemisis Force Weapon rules.

 

SJ

[thade]

If what you say is true, why then do two Librarians forming a single unit need to roll individually for their own nemesis force weapons to activate? You seem to be assuming that Brotherhood of Psykers would make this so (as it's the only thing different between two Space Marine Librarians and units in the GK codex).

 

A GK unit with Brotherhood of Psykers is treated as if they are a single psyker (with one warp charge, effectively) for the purposes of psychic tests; that's all the rule does. (Well, it also makes provisions for how to handle a Perils result.) It doesn't merge in other GK psykers that join the squad.

 

Brother Captains and GMs (and also Inqs) do not have the Brotherhood of Psykers rule; I don't see why we should infer they 'become one' with a unit that does when they join it? That's a bit of a leap, I think.

[stephane4985]

I believe jeffersonian000 is right. The Brother hood of psyker says the test is pass after the first unsaved wound. By the BRB, an IC is part of the unit for all purpose. The only restriction about IC in the brotherhood of psyker is that the IC must roll separately. But the trigger is the same. A wound from the unit, which the IC is part of.

 

So an unsaved wound is cause, which trigger the activation of the NFW. The model with the brotherhood rule roll just once for all of them, then the ICs roll for their weapons.

[jeffersonian000]

Stephane has the right of it. In Thades example of 2 Librarians forming a unit, once one of them scores an unsaved wound, both roll to activate per the Nemisis Force Weapon rules.

 

If the unit in question had Draigo, a Techmarine with normal loadout, an Inquisitor with Daemon Hammer, and a unit of Paladins with mixed weapons (not an uncommon unit to find), and one of the Halbard wielding Pallies strikes an unsaved wound, all of the Pallies roll one activation while the Inquisitor rolls his own activated immediately. Come step 5, Draigo scores an unsaved wound and rolls to activate his Titansword (which counts as a normal Forge Weapon with additional special rules rather than a Nemesis Weapon). Come step 4, the remaining Pallies with Nemesis Swords strike with Insta-Death attacks, while the Techmarine (who has a stock Force Weapon) must score his own unsaved wound to trigger an activation roll. Finally, on step 1, the Inquisitor and any Pallies with Hammers get to strike with their insta-death weapons, all be it only the Inquisitor really needed the assistance with his meager Str 3 + Hammerhand. And of course, the Techmarine's step 1 attacks are already Str 8 / non-force attacks.

 

Complex, but not too complex to get through.

 

SJ

[Castellan Alaric]

so if i have a unit of pallies with a grand master equipped with a halberd attached (awesome setup to me, i7? yes.) and the gkgm causes an unsaved wound, i roll to activate for BOTH the gkgm AND the pallies? or everyone at once?

[stephane4985]

You roll for the gkgm, since he is an IC and needs to activate his weapon on his own, then you roll once for the pallies. Both after the gkgm cause a wounds.

[Fenric]

I haven't fully read the nerw rule book sicne i just recently got back into wanting to play again so just wanted to ask if force weapons and instant death works the same way still? Heard somewhere it's been changed.

[jeffersonian000]

I haven't fully read the nerw rule book sicne i just recently got back into wanting to play again so just wanted to ask if force weapons and instant death works the same way still? Heard somewhere it's been changed.

 

Yes, they work the same way, still. The only real change is that differently shaped Power/Force weapons now have different AP and/or Str depending on shape. Everything else is the same. In the case of Nemesis Force Weapons, they all count as "Unusual Force Weapons", which means they use the same rules for Force Swords while still retaining their individual special rules. All of which can be found in the BRB on pg. 60, GK codex pg. 54, and GK FAQ.

 

SJ

[Fenric]

I haven't fully read the nerw rule book sicne i just recently got back into wanting to play again so just wanted to ask if force weapons and instant death works the same way still? Heard somewhere it's been changed.

 

Yes, they work the same way, still. The only real change is that differently shaped Power/Force weapons now have different AP and/or Str depending on shape. Everything else is the same. In the case of Nemesis Force Weapons, they all count as "Unusual Force Weapons", which means they use the same rules for Force Swords while still retaining their individual special rules. All of which can be found in the BRB on pg. 60, GK codex pg. 54, and GK FAQ.

 

SJ

 

Thanks man so much new to take in atm so some few short answers like this helps alot.