Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 does any one think they will make a book about the missing primarchs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 No from what everyone has said their true fates will remain secret with a bunch of rumors and hearsay thrown in the books. Maybe they're squats...maybe they're on a super duper secret mission for the emperor...maybe they're farmers. True fate will never be known Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3199970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Dragon Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 One of the Primarchs was indeed raised on a Squat homeworld and allied with them as the imperium conquered their world. He died in said conquest having rejected the "Imperial Truth". His Legion was "disbanded" but the marines that existed at the time were absorbed into the Ultramarines. The other Primarch was lost with all his men in the warp, never to be seen again... or was he? And no, just in cse you thought it for a second... I'm not serious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3202057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Maybe a decade or so from now, when BL have exhausted the possibilities for the Heresy and the Scouring, I could see them turning to the Unification Wars and the Great Crusade. The fate of the missing Legions would be the one real bombshell reveal they could use to sell that hypothetical series, and they couldn't really tell that story without including them. The original practical reason for being "missing" (so you could create your own) hasn't applied since they came up with the idea of Chapters 20+ years ago. "Never" is only ever "not until we need a new hook". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3202283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 On the cover of "The Sigillite" two skulls bear numerals II and XI, the numbers of the missing Legions. Whether or not this audio drama gives us a little hint or clues as to what happened though I don't know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3202288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 does any one think they will make a book about the missing primarchs I highly doubt it. Maybe there'll be hints at the missing primarchs, subtle or heavy handed, but a book about them? Nah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3202293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesus Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I would just like GW to give the Heresy authors carte blanch on the 2 missing legions. Allow them to each independently write a short novella on the fate of the 2 legions, package them all together. Call it "Tales From the Warp" or something cheesy like that. All of this under the notion that this isn't canon just scratching the fans' itch, and allowing the authors to blow off some steam by writing freely without worrying about the overall 40k story arc. This would give us, the fans, no real insight to the fate of the 2 legions. But we would sleep better at night for it. Plus it would make GW serious coin. Then we could all argue over which fate we all liked the most. Because no matter what happens in the 40k universe someone is going to try arguing over it. B) Thats just my $0.02 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I doubt they will ever be covered.... But I also doubted they would ever do the Horus Heresy and we all saw what happened there lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobointherain Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 they wont, or at least I hope they wont. Some things are better off left alone. after all if they tell us what happened to the missing legions we'll have nothing to talk about on here! If you want my opinion, which you probably don't if the Emperor managed to have 18 kids that all turned out to be superhuman demi-gods, there must have been a couple of runts in the litter. I like to think they were called Derek and Clive and they spent their time down the pub swearing at each other in ever more creative ways. And hats off to anyone who knows who Derek and Clive are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torva Minoris Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I don't think they will ever cover the missing legions. It's strange, 10 years ago there was barely any detial on the horus heresy other than: horus betrayed the emperor, half the legions sided with him half stayed loyal, the emperor beats horus but gets mortally wonded and interred on the golden throne. when this was the case and the story was only told from the perspective of the 41 Millenium the missing legions could have been anything and done anything. now that they are fleshing out the stories we know that whatever happened to the missing legions and the primarchs happened 50 years before the heresy and as such what they could be is becoming marginalised. then again it could be SIGMAR :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haranin Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Unknown is better then a half *@#$@ed mess upped known. Look at battletech, the Wolverines, the Clans and the Wobblies... not to mention Dark Age. Leaving mysteries allows the fan base to continually question and speculate. Putting something down as fact, if done badly, can run a universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 then again it could be SIGMAR :angry: That's an old OLD theory (fan theory, maybe?) that was halfway entertained in the 90's, I believe. Suffice to say it was eventually ignored/dropped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3205976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSkaven Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I remember two primarch( Magnus and... cant remember who) talking about their lost brothers and one of the two said '' you know we are not to speak about this... or would you rather that father unleashes his dogs on you too?'' Russ killed them by order of the Emperor himself. The Vlka Fenrika was created to fight what others are not prepared to fight. Other Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3206148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torva Minoris Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 then again it could be SIGMAR :lol: That's an old OLD theory (fan theory, maybe?) that was halfway entertained in the 90's, I believe. Suffice to say it was eventually ignored/dropped. Joking, it's from back when it used to be true that Warhammer and Warhammer 40k were in the same universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3206261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 then again it could be SIGMAR :) That's an old OLD theory (fan theory, maybe?) that was halfway entertained in the 90's, I believe. Suffice to say it was eventually ignored/dropped. Not ignored entirely. I played in a Warhammer Quest campaign over a period of five years that culminated in us finding Sigmar's crashed capsule, defeating a C'tan and having an enlightening chat with Eldrad Ulthran. I'd rather the missing two remained a mystery, though joesus's idea for a non-canon volume of 'what-if?' stories is very appealing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3206558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pall Ironbear Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I still remember when the missing legions/chapters were only there to allow people to invent their own, almost risk free from nerdrage by the beardies. RainbowWarriors were one of the original founding chapters..... Erm, anyway, I'd rather they just get left alone for now. I also have this image of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in power armour, flat caps and pints in hand. Sat in a Pub saying "That Horus, he was a right......" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3206988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torva Minoris Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 RainbowWarriors were one of the original founding chapters..... some Retcons are for the best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I remember two primarch( Magnus and... cant remember who) talking about their lost brothers and one of the two said '' you know we are not to speak about this... or would you rather that father unleashes his dogs on you too?'' Russ killed them by order of the Emperor himself. The Vlka Fenrika was created to fight what others are not prepared to fight. Other Astartes. The conversation was between Magnus and Lorgar. And you may have imagined the bold part. Astartes had never fought Astartes prior to the heresy that point has been put forth time and again. The Wolves were not the "Emperors Executioners" until Prospero and that wasn't the Emperors order it was Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Engel Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 The conversation was between Magnus and Lorgar. And you may have imagined the bold part. Astartes had never fought Astartes prior to the heresy that point has been put forth time and again. The Wolves were not the "Emperors Executioners" until Prospero and that wasn't the Emperors order it was Horus. It's implied multiple times across both "A Thousand Sons" and "Prospero Burns" that the Wolves have indeed fought Astartes before and the Horus bit of the Space Wolves story has been written out, as far as I remember. I certainly don't remember it in either book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 The conversation was between Magnus and Lorgar. And you may have imagined the bold part. Astartes had never fought Astartes prior to the heresy that point has been put forth time and again. The Wolves were not the "Emperors Executioners" until Prospero and that wasn't the Emperors order it was Horus. It's implied multiple times across both "A Thousand Sons" and "Prospero Burns" that the Wolves have indeed fought Astartes before and the Horus bit of the Space Wolves story has been written out, as far as I remember. I certainly don't remember it in either book. Implied? You mean the same way in TFH it is implied that the Ultras absorbed the 2 lost legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I remember two primarch( Magnus and... cant remember who) talking about their lost brothers and one of the two said '' you know we are not to speak about this... or would you rather that father unleashes his dogs on you too?'' Russ killed them by order of the Emperor himself. The Vlka Fenrika was created to fight what others are not prepared to fight. Other Astartes. I think you're mixing up two quotes, there. Magnus and Lorgar are talking in The First Heretic, and they mention not being able to discuss it further, for fear of the Emperor's punishment. It has nothing to do with the Wolves, they're not mentioned, as their "executioner" thing didn't exist then. And the Emperor sent the Wolves to Prospero to arrest Magnus and bring him back. Horus deceived Russ into destroying the planet. Also, we (as readers and fans) know the Wolves didn't kill the Lost Legions, because no one did. There's no explanation and there likely never will be. The Wolves doing it is just another tantalising in-universe possibility (that Space Wolf fans have latched onto and want to be true, naturally). Also, the Space Wolves say they were created to do that. So far, the only evidence we have is one of the smallest Legions attacking Prospero with the Sisters of Silence, the Custodians, and their own enemies putting up no resistance until the last moment. In the same book, we also have the Wolves claiming they're the most savage Legion (they're not, that's always been the World Eaters) and the most frightening/fearsome (they're not, that's always been the Night Lords). It also states that no Space Marine can outfight a Space Wolf one on one, which we know isn't true because all Space Marines are equal in that regard. What we've got here is narrator bias, which is all part of a good book. It only suffers when it's biased towards the largest fandom in the license and they take it as gospel truth of their sheer betterness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I still remember when the missing legions/chapters were only there to allow people to invent their own, almost risk free from nerdrage by the beardies. RainbowWarriors were one of the original founding chapters..... Erm, anyway, I'd rather they just get left alone for now. I also have this image of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in power armour, flat caps and pints in hand. Sat in a Pub saying "That Horus, he was a right......" No the Rainbow Warriors were not one of the original Founding Chapters. Yes they were in the RT rulebook spread but then so were the Ultramarines -- who were 3rd Founding at the time. That wasn't the original Legions/Chapters, just a selection of Chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3207586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 a year ago on a 40k website i read that one of the missing legions after the returned to terra that the legion went off on their own to find their primarch and no one has seen them since Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3209996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 What we've got here is narrator bias, which is all part of a good book. It only suffers when it's biased towards the largest fandom in the license and they take it as gospel truth of their sheer betterness. And this is why I really need to keep a marker pen with me when I read these books, so I can make notes of 'interesting quotes' and suchlike for later reference... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3210004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 a year ago on a 40k website i read that one of the missing legions after the returned to terra that the legion went off on their own to find their primarch and no one has seen them since Sounds like fan fiction to me. There's been nothing official in canon even approaching that sort of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/262680-missing-legions/#findComment-3210163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.