-Ares- Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Greetings Sons of Nurgle, I love the new Chaos Codex so far (although new Named Characters for other Legions would have been nice). It is definately a Phil Kelly Codex. Right now I'm checking how to field my DG army with the new Dex. There is only one thing that I can't get the hang of: The Mark of Nurgle on the Daemon Prince seems rather lackluster to me. True, shrouded and Slow and Purposeful seems fluff appropriate, but it still cost 15 pts. That's a lot IMO. So my questions: 1. Do any of you guys use the MoN on your Daemon Prince? 2. What is the advantage of Slow and Purposeful for a Monstrous Creature? I can't figure out, if SaP is a advantage at all. Thanks for reading and spread the plague! Ares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Well, it doesn't have the Mark of Nurgle at all, otherwise it'd work nicely for the Tallyman, and he can't take any Artefacts that require a mark. Slow and Purposeful is only a hindrance (basically, you're paying 15 points for Shrouded and a nerf) since you can't run or move flat out, and daemon princes need that speed. Still, the 3+ Jink save is pretty darn nice for when you actually take a wound, even though it doesn't prevent grounding tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon24 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Well, it doesn't have the Mark of Nurgle at all, otherwise it'd work nicely for the Tallyman, and he can't take any Artefacts that require a mark. The tallyman of Epidemius works for both models with the mark of Nurgle and Nurgle Deamons, so the DP does count for the tallyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Well, it doesn't have the Mark of Nurgle at all, otherwise it'd work nicely for the Tallyman, and he can't take any Artefacts that require a mark. The tallyman of Epidemius works for both models with the mark of Nurgle and Nurgle Deamons, so the DP does count for the tallyman But only if it has the mark of nurgle ;) S&P is the price you pay for being +1T. Beyond that I can't see any actual advantage of being S&P on a DP. I'll scour it when I get home, as I haven't fully evaluated taking a DP from the CSM codex in my list yet (as I've gotten used to taking them from the Daemons codex as allies). I'll most likely continue to do so, as the Daemons dex doesn't limit your flight distance with Nurgle DPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ares- Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Actually I'm only talking about the Daemon Prince from the new Codex Chaos. It does not grant +1 Toughness to the Prince, otherwise I would take it. It only gives him Shrouded and S&P. Daemon Princes from Codex Daemon is a completely different matter. But it seem as if I'm correct and the MoN kinda sucks for the DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkOne Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 S&P is the price you pay for being +1T. I don't think it give him +1 T. Does S&P slow him down in the air? Also, he's a Demon of Nurgle... wouldn't that count for the Tallyman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ah true..."Daemon of Nurgle" is hard to say no to! So he does count for the Tallyman. No, the Daemon Prince does not gain +1T. He doesn't have the Mark of Nurgle. He only gets S&P and Shrouding. Does it slow him down in the air? Yea, it means he can't go Flat Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Oh... it just now saw that it's not Mark of Nurgle anymore... weird. I'll have to look at this dumbfounded for a bit. [edit]Ok so shrouded is fluffy, I can live with that. Hugging cover or ruins you could potentially get 2+ cover saves. I don't see how S&P would be beneficial at all. Since he's a Daemon of Nurgle then yes, he would benefit from and add to tally. So yeah Daemon of Nurgle is meh for the DP upgrades... definitely the worst off of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milez Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 DoT is way better for the re-rolls of 1's on armor saves now. DoM is stupid, as is the others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 DoT is way better for the re-rolls of 1's on armor saves now. DoM is stupid, as is the others as well. Daemon of Malal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 DoT is way better for the re-rolls of 1's on armor saves now. DoM is stupid, as is the others as well. Daemon of Malal? Yes please! Sorry, I got hooked on the SoM fluff, and finding it to hard to use CSM to build them, I used DA. I'm looking to put together a Purge army now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 DA? Man that's a dated codex. Cool stuff, but... SoM look like they might be hard to represent with this codex, yeah, especially with not being able to have undivided DPs now (but I'll leave that argument alone). Outside of generic CSMs, cultists, and havocs in a mechanized list I don't see it. My dreams are shattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 DA? Man that's a dated codex. Cool stuff, but... SoM look like they might be hard to represent with this codex, yeah, especially with not being able to have undivided DPs now (but I'll leave that argument alone). Outside of generic CSMs, cultists, and havocs in a mechanized list I don't see it. My dreams are shattered. It won't be dated in a few months, and SoM with termy troops is nice. Anyway, I do have to agree the only way to take a nurgle DP now is in allies, but I wonder if the same thing will happen when daemons get re codexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 DA? Man that's a dated codex. Cool stuff, but... SoM look like they might be hard to represent with this codex, yeah, especially with not being able to have undivided DPs now (but I'll leave that argument alone). Outside of generic CSMs, cultists, and havocs in a mechanized list I don't see it. My dreams are shattered. It won't be dated in a few months, and SoM with termy troops is nice. Anyway, I do have to agree the only way to take a nurgle DP now is in allies, but I wonder if the same thing will happen when daemons get re codexed. I can only imagine that it will be the same... I honestly don't understand why they're going this route. There are more than just the 4 powers in the warp lurking, and there should be room for a player to use a lesser known one as the subject of his hobby, or create his own entirely. The Daemon Prince was one of those few outlets. I suppose you could still pick whatever mark you like, rules-wise, and call it something different to match what you want, but that has never set well with me (not that I'd have a problem with someone else doing it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ares- Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 I don't understand, why the DPs have got their own version of Marks. The general ones would have made much more sense and all would be useful. And I agree, it's time to introduce some of the lesser known Chaos Gods. Would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Taint Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I suppose you could still pick whatever mark you like, rules-wise, and call it something different to match what you want Yeah, that. Just a couple of days ago I pulled out the old Dawn Of War and played a few hours. It didn't feel that much wrong to conjure a Bloodthirster as Word Bearer player ... And model-wise, as Circus said, you can do anything you want anyway. Cheers, JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Does taking wings with my Nurgle Demon Prince negate the effect of Slow & Purposeful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaguewolf Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I did not realized until now that DoN did not give +1 T .... this made me very sad ... whats the point of using that... will probably use the DoS, it is the cheapest upgrade, but I think you get the most out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Nope. No +1T, no advantage for wings, no eternal warrior! That's taken all the fun out of my favourite model. Its gone from a baseball bat to a feather duster :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Nope. No +1T, no advantage for wings, no eternal warrior! That's taken all the fun out of my favourite model. Its gone from a baseball bat to a feather duster B) Use it with a daemon allied contingent. Best we can do right now to have workable Nurgle DPs. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagrath Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Take a nurgle daemon prince with wings, zoom around, enjoy 3+ cover save in the open. And of course, you can hide normally and get a 2+ cover save in ruins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ares- Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 Ok, I reworked my Death Guard list and use my DP as a Great Unclean One from Codex Daemon. Is not perfect, but it fits much better point wise and allows me to use a Icon of Chaos on Plague Bearers to teleport my Terminators in. Not exactly on topic, but using only models I already posses, this is my new 1500 pts Death Guard List: [Primary] Typhus 230 pts 6 Terminators 263 pts - MoN - Reaper Autocannon - Varies CC Weapons 7x Plague Marines 223 pts - 2x Plasma Gun - Powerfist 7x Plague Marines 223 pts - 2x Plasma Gun - Powerfist 30x Plague Zombies 130 pts Maulerfiend (using my CC Forgeworld Death Guard Dread) 125 pts [Allies] Great Unclean One 165 pts - Swarm of Flies 7x Plague Bearers 130 pts - Icon of Chaos => 1499 pts total. What do you guys think? It has considerable weakness against vehicles and fliers, but I run them as a fluff army. I already used Plague Zombies as generic Lesser Daemons before, so I got the models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Just to clarify a demon prince IS a model and if you look on page 30, it states that all models with mark of nurgle benefit from +1 T...moving on to page 104 (the little summary thing) we see that demons of nurgle get (in other words demon princes that have the mark of nurgle on them) also benefit from shrouded, hatred (tzeentch) as well as Slow and purposefull. This means in essence a demon prince with wings, power armor, mark of nurgle will cost 220 points and have the following profile 9 5 6 6 4 8 5 9 3+/5++/5+++ if hes on open ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banis Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Only problem is that the new daemon prince can't buy "mark" of nurgle.. You might wan't to recheck. It is easy to miss.. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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